Ski Doo Summit Questions........
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groomerdriver
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Thanks for the help Bradzoo! Pictures tell the whole story!
Mark@TimberlineSports
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Ok, So I troll once in a while and dont say much. I understand this is for the most part an anti-Ski-Doo site, and yes, I am biased. But, I am going to have to call BULLS#&T on this comment.
-Mark
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lenny
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Mark, I understand where you are coming from and my apologies on contributing to what may appear to be attacking Ski-Doo but it's not like it may appear. There are a few members on this site who are very vocal about Ski-Doo being the best sled known to man but most guys are very reasonable on this site. I on the other hand see huge nonsense in people claiming a particular manufacturer is the best and it just so happens that this site does indeed have a few that are very vocal about Doo being at the top in every category. I counter these guys by reminding them that Doo is like the rest of the manufacturers and experiences ups and down in quality control and design like they ALL do. Ski-Doo is no exception to the rule. They had a few years in early to mid 2000's with rings, the early P-tecks had crank or crank bearing issues, they were notorious for failure as the poo 800 was. The XP chassis in the summit is the most difficult to lay on edge out of all 4 including Yamaha, that just a fact. Doesn't mean it's a bad sled but does mean it takes more effort than the rest to carve or side hill.
Concerning my personal statement about my 2001 Mtn Max handling better than a 2009 Doo summit 146, I still maintain that statement is true. My statement was specific about my buddy on his 146 XP being stuck a few years back out in the Big horns, we all rode his sled in the Mtns and found the same result that the XP possesses a low center of gravity and takes more effort to get on edge even with shocks loose and sway bar disconnected. Me saying the mtn Max handled better was specifically about handling better in deep. I will say the Doo handled a million times better on the trail than my mtn Max but in the deep a mtn Max do lay over somewhat easily, not like a RMK or a M but for sure better than 146 XP. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement and now that I explained would you agree?
Concerning my personal statement about my 2001 Mtn Max handling better than a 2009 Doo summit 146, I still maintain that statement is true. My statement was specific about my buddy on his 146 XP being stuck a few years back out in the Big horns, we all rode his sled in the Mtns and found the same result that the XP possesses a low center of gravity and takes more effort to get on edge even with shocks loose and sway bar disconnected. Me saying the mtn Max handled better was specifically about handling better in deep. I will say the Doo handled a million times better on the trail than my mtn Max but in the deep a mtn Max do lay over somewhat easily, not like a RMK or a M but for sure better than 146 XP. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement and now that I explained would you agree?
Mark@TimberlineSports
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No need to apologize at all. I agree 100% and I was/am not trying to say Ski-Doo is the end all be all by any means. I just find it hard to believe that a 2001 mtn max is better in the POW than an 8 year newer Summit. Kind of like if I said I prefer a ZX chassis Summit over a PRO RMK? It just doesn't sound right. Maybe my riding style is different?
Anyway, Just throwing in my opinion (I know, keep it to myself right? LOL).
Carry on.
-Mark
momoney2123
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I agree, lot of anti-doo here. this guy seems to handle the XP just fine. Not sure i could see a mountain max do this..------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBStI2DogY
lol or this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOYVrWz4pLg
Doo is all in on back country riding. id bet they invest more in that segment than any other right now.
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lenny
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please don't keep it to yourself, your opinion is valuable and that's what makes up a well rounded debate. Again, my Mtn Max is fairly easy to man handle around. I didn't have to work as hard as I felt as with the others to get the machine to lay over, and that's the only aspect I am referring to. The summit power was very good, summit had better ergos and efficiency and more all around comfort but concerning throwing it around, the learning curve is greater on the XP. Like I said, it doesn't make it a poor sled. MoMoney, people learn to ride any sled. Look up Chris Brown on YouTube and see what this guy does on a Yamaha. Comparing professional or highly advanced riders really doesn't represent the masses like ourselves and most on this site. I suppose it goes without saying that when I make reference to my experience I assume most will understand it applies to the average rider. Advanced riders will quickly learn the dynamics of sleds and adjust to compensate for it weaknesses. I would consider myself to be an intermediate back woods rider with a strong passion for climbing around in the trees. With that said, and me being 51 in another month, I try an offer up my experiences to aid others who are similar in riding style and passion. If you lined up a RMK, a cat m or a Doo XP, I am confident 90 out of 100 guys would all say the XP was the hardest to manipulate in the style of riding I just stated. In the past I have up'd the rethoric and got deep into debates but not doing that anymore. The XP is not a bad sled in the least and lots of guys will outride me on a XP any day I'm just stating the initial learning curve is greater and requires more time and effort where the others are a real neutral feel and respond well to rider input. Good to see you back Momoney, you offer up a lot of real good info on Doo.
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momoney2123
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The best rider in the world on a mountain max wouldnt have been able to do what micku was doing on the XP, i think we could agree on that.
Your explanation above makes a lot more sense.
Im not getting into arguments either. I will always have skidoo/rotax bias thats just the way it is. Some stuff i read is just so far wrong its hard not to defend or debate. But ive realized it just isnt worth it lol.
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lenny
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A mtn Max was only a 141 but people extend them longer so they can get around better in the deep. It's still an inferior chassis by today's standard but if a pro rider or any advanced rider rode a 155 Mtn Max he could ride it very much in that video, that's all skill there brother and those guys will do that stuff on just about anything. I've riden my Mtn Max is some crazy terrain and out in the Mtns. For open areas like that, it's more about the rider than the machine
momoney2123
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Yea i hear ya. That would be impressive to see on a old school triple.
srt20
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I don't think this is a anti doo site at all. If anything this is more of a pro Yamaha site. But the only anti stuff I see is anti poo 800, and well deserved. (Don't get mad, I own 2 CFI 800s).
I think people just like to argue with mo money because of his stout beliefs that doo is the best at everything. Not picking on you, just an observation. Also people like arguing with snobuilder because of his beliefs on pretty much everything.....
Oh, one last thing,
Da bears still suck! Haha
I think people just like to argue with mo money because of his stout beliefs that doo is the best at everything. Not picking on you, just an observation. Also people like arguing with snobuilder because of his beliefs on pretty much everything.....
Oh, one last thing,
Da bears still suck! Haha
groomerdriver
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When I see that Whitedust has commented on this this thread (I "ignore" what he says anyway) I respectfully ask that you take your arguments to a new thread.
This is not helping my son sort things out and YES wd I know this is a public forum.
This is not helping my son sort things out and YES wd I know this is a public forum.
momoney2123
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Not saying there's anything wrong with the cats, but he doesnt seem to like them
. Nothing wrong with 10/11 800 doo's, especially if they dont have high miles and were taken care of. The 2010 was the most refined powertek. And the 2011 etec has been updated on ski-doo's dime. ideally you would find a 2011 800etec summit that has not yet had the piston recall, then he could take the sled to any dealer, and get a free rebuild and ECM updates(yes skidoo is still covering 2011's 800etecs on THEIR dime) and have a sled ready to rip for years to come. The XP maynot be the best "side hiller" but it does have other plus's, one big one being the etec.But i still believe the bang for the buck would be a leftover 2015 sp etec , or a 2015/2016 summit sport 800 powertek. You then have a brand new sled and warranty which is always nice. If i was buying a mountain sled, the sled below would be hard to pass up for under 9gs.
http://www.ridenowtricities.com/--xInventoryDetail?id=987947
momoney2123
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That or he says heck with it... i only live once...and go BIG
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g_nfNT_BWG8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g_nfNT_BWG8
if he wants a doo this one at AK Mining and diving looks like a nice lo mi ride with a good length track for the average day up there.and real short drive from work to pick it up
http://www.akmining.com/2009Ski-DooSUMMIT-X-146-inventory.htm?id=719237&used=1&vin=2BPSCU9A99V000687
http://www.akmining.com/2009Ski-DooSUMMIT-X-146-inventory.htm?id=719237&used=1&vin=2BPSCU9A99V000687
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