groomerdriver
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Thanks Ezra. He did stop in there last week and most of their sleds are still stored up in racks. By the end of September they'll start bringing them out for display. Does seem like a good option at the right price.
Ski Doo Summit Questions........
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Thanks Ezra. He did stop in there last week and most of their sleds are still stored up in racks. By the end of September they'll start bringing them out for display. Does seem like a good option at the right price.
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lenny
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gary62 has the perfect sled and perfect price for sale right here on JD in the Cat section. 2009 crossfire 800 Sno pro. It's not gonna get much better than this,,,,,, 5 grand!
groomerdriver
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And he could have my broken (but repaired) trailer for free. BUT.....it'll cost $2000 to ship it all up there.
groomerdriver
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OK so I need more opinions. A 2009 with a 800 PTEK or a 2012 with an 800 ETEC?
The 2012 is only $700 more but it has 2000 miles vs. 725 miles for the 2009.
The 2012 is a 154 and the 2009 is a 146.
What say you out there?
http://www.akmining.com/2009-Ski-Do...2BPSCU9A99V000687&unitType=1507&unitBrand=178
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http://www.akmining.com/2012-Ski-Do...25994&used=1&vin=&unitType=1507&unitBrand=178
with a doo 800 a iso flex lubed crank only has so many turns before party is over . some have a extra dab and will spin longer but it is still a numbers game .
IMHO with a doo I would buy the p tek with 725mi. and I like the 146 more of a all around track .
but the E tec has the cool self summertime storage deal. both xp both sc5 only real diff is the carbs . both are going to fold up like a tin can with 1 sold hit . I say that owning a 15 xp 600 my self just been there grinding rivets on to many to deny the kind of hit they can take . IMHO any doo needs the grip and rip braces if planning on dipping a ski off the groom
good way to spend a few nights after work
http://www.gripnripracing.com/index.php?id_product=148&controller=product
IMHO with a doo I would buy the p tek with 725mi. and I like the 146 more of a all around track .
but the E tec has the cool self summertime storage deal. both xp both sc5 only real diff is the carbs . both are going to fold up like a tin can with 1 sold hit . I say that owning a 15 xp 600 my self just been there grinding rivets on to many to deny the kind of hit they can take . IMHO any doo needs the grip and rip braces if planning on dipping a ski off the groom
good way to spend a few nights after work
http://www.gripnripracing.com/index.php?id_product=148&controller=product
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cooksend
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Take the 2012 all day long! The motor if not already done has an update coming on BRP's dollar and the E-Tec is a much nicer motor. Smoother, more power and throttle effort is much lighter on an E-Tec over the P-Tek. Also there was some geometry change in that rear skid. I do believe it was the front arm on the rear skid that changed in 2011 getting rid of some of the heavy ski, flat handling feeling that many complain about. Also the 2012 will have the S36 handling package, much easier to handle! While 146" tracks are super playful most that go 154 don't regret it!
E-Tec over P-Tek: E-Tec is an easy decision!
146 or 154: 154" in the more open Alaska landscape for sure!
Early XP handling or S36 equipped 2012: S36 was a huge upgrade in handling characteristics. S36 and 2012 Skid changes for sure!
Sorry Ez, gotta disagree with your choice on this one!
The brp upgrade was pistons .all depends on if it was done early or late .still a I so flex bearing in a deep snow sled with 2 k on her. Both good options I just get Leary of any doo8 with over 2 k on it. Heck 2 k I would have dumped it at 1500 only because my old doo 800 went out around 1600Take the 2012 all day long! The motor if not already done has an update coming on BRP's dollar and the E-Tec is a much nicer motor. Smoother, more power and throttle effort is much lighter on an E-Tec over the P-Tek. Also there was some geometry change in that rear skid. I do believe it was the front arm on the rear skid that changed in 2011 getting rid of some of the heavy ski, flat handling feeling that many complain about. Also the 2012 will have the S36 handling package, much easier to handle! While 146" tracks are super playful most that go 154 don't regret it!
E-Tec over P-Tek: E-Tec is an easy decision!
146 or 154: 154" in the more open Alaska landscape for sure!
Early XP handling or S36 equipped 2012: S36 was a huge upgrade in handling characteristics. S36 and 2012 Skid changes for sure!
Sorry Ez, gotta disagree with your choice on this one!
momoney2123
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X2 on etec and newer chassis. dont have to worry about jetting, ease of starting and overall a much smoother running engine. some of the 2012's 800etecs did have RPM fade, which is a performance based issue at wide open for long periods. make sure the ecm has been updated. if you dont know what RPM fade is search dootalk. lot of good info on it.
dont buy into the crank failure. its rare. i dont know how many etecs we have had in our group...over 20 now and not seen a failure(pistons or crank) with many in the 5-10k mile range. There is a thread on dootalk with etecs well north of 10k miles on orginal pistons/crank. can some fail? yes like anything mass produced, not 100% are perfect. the time you can have an issue is if the seal failed. if the seal doesnt fail the isovibe will go longer than the sleds life more often than not. its a low percentage failure.
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Cranks were to be inspected during recall. if out of spec, they were replaced.
dont buy into the crank failure. its rare. i dont know how many etecs we have had in our group...over 20 now and not seen a failure(pistons or crank) with many in the 5-10k mile range. There is a thread on dootalk with etecs well north of 10k miles on orginal pistons/crank. can some fail? yes like anything mass produced, not 100% are perfect. the time you can have an issue is if the seal failed. if the seal doesnt fail the isovibe will go longer than the sleds life more often than not. its a low percentage failure.
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Cranks were to be inspected during recall. if out of spec, they were replaced.
they are both good sleds and if there is a issue doo has the best long block program in the industry so he wont be off the snow for more than a few days .
remember mo money there is a diff on motor life in a deep snow sled and a trail sled some say 1/2 life others less. if it was a deep snow cat it would be on its 2 nd secondary already at 2k. but the trail sleds last 4k all day. there is a reason poo tested the newest liberty on the trail before slapping it in a rmk.
remember mo money there is a diff on motor life in a deep snow sled and a trail sled some say 1/2 life others less. if it was a deep snow cat it would be on its 2 nd secondary already at 2k. but the trail sleds last 4k all day. there is a reason poo tested the newest liberty on the trail before slapping it in a rmk.
momoney2123
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Long block program? Are you refering to series 3 engines? There is no long block etec program that i have heard of, from rotax. Luckily i have never smoked an 800 doo. I think some aftermarket people do exchanges for pteks. Obviously i understand mountain miles are not trail miles. If you use a 2x multiplyer that would be 4k miles with a new set of pistons somewhere inbetween, that engine has a lot of life left.
Sorry short block. part number for e tec 420079755 .better go to your dealer and ask because they can get u a short block in a matter of days if they do not have on in stock. last one I helped a friend put one in his p tec 8. my bud had a e tec pop 2 seasons ago and he got a new short block with a year warranty .U can get them for less than a full rebuild . even sea doo U can get them for just a few buck more than a sbt but not as good a warranty as sbt. doo has the best short block well only short block program in the industry.
if I remember p tec 8 were under 1600 and they don't care if the exchange case is trashed where all the aftermarkets up charge like crazy when u have a softball size hole in your bottom end
if I remember p tec 8 were under 1600 and they don't care if the exchange case is trashed where all the aftermarkets up charge like crazy when u have a softball size hole in your bottom end
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momoney2123
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Never heard of this "program". I will ask dealer when we pick up the 16 800E. I duno if our group just as all the luck in the world but we have not seen a failure from an etec, group size every trip no less than 10..all etecs. Last one to go down was a ptek due to the ring end gap not being set correctly on a ported engine.
groomerdriver
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It's not likely that any sled he buys is going to come with any type of warranty. It'll be which engine is more durable.
I'd guess he'd be doing no more than 25% powder riding.....not even real mountain climbing.....more deep pow in valley's kinda stuff.
I'd guess he'd be doing no more than 25% powder riding.....not even real mountain climbing.....more deep pow in valley's kinda stuff.
groomerdriver
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As of today he's buying a 10' open trailer so he's OK on the trailer part now. As to how long etc etc only the Lord knows! He does like it up there but the USAF might not let him stay there for as long as HE wants to be there.
momoney2123
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The 800etec is as reliable as any 800 2 stroke. As a bonus you get the most HP from an 800 2 stroke ever. There is not enough good to say about that engine. I just hope it sticks around 1 more year before the generation 2 is released.
Well at least he has a start by getting the trailer. He probably couldn't go wrong with either sled, maybe he could purchase an after market warranty for 6 months to a year through the dealer to cover him for this winter when he makes his purchase. Something to check into maybe
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groomerdriver
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Great idea! I'm HOPING that by going thru a dealer up there.....at least they would have gone thru the sled looking for the obvious stuff. We all know the sheet can hit the fan at any time...just hoping that whatever fails is not catastrophic and expensive.
groomerdriver
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"Termination dust"? My son tells me of the snow in the mountains getting lower and lower.