still waiting on Polaris snowcheck

[1fujifilm]

POOPOO kept changing my dates too , went to my dealer Friday and got my money back and went and bought a new SKI DOO.

You da man, I feel your pain; been in the same boat a few years back.

Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

Just got done texting the guy in the Appleton area, he bought his sled at Ken's, pto side crank bearing is junk. Again, less than 10 miles on it. The Breeze bought his at Ken's also, I bet he has the same problem.

This is pure conjecture but, did Polaris still require Dealers to put additional injector oil in the gas tank of these 2019 850's for the first tank?
I bought my 18 800 Poo and they did. Coming from a Doo, I thought; this is silly as the Doo's have been computer controlling oil mixture rates for years during break-in.

Bear

 

[old abe]

Lets just see this play out and not have it become a brand vs. brand pissing contest.

The pto end bearing is new to the 850 Patriot vs the 600 and 800 Libertys. The design that Poolaris used is not unique but the issue is that this design in other engines has either a locator pin or cir-clip to keep the roller bearing in place vs the side forces present.
Poolaris seems to have relied solely on interference fit or locktite between the bottom end casting case bore and the outer race of the roller bearing to keep it in place. In some failed engines the bearing has shifted side to side and either cause the oil line to get shut and blown off or the bearing race migrates over and welds itself to the crankshaft.
I don't think this is funny even if it was happening to a doo.

I'm not intending to bash you snobuilder. It seems as this is just a very poor durability testing procedure issue on the 850??? No other excuse to be had!!! Perhaps Poo trying to get to the market for this model year??? My son has very loyal Poo friends in Idaho. They were all afraid of the new "Patriot" having problems due to not much testing on a totally new design??? They said last spring, that they were not buying into the 850 Patriot being out on the "real for life snow conditions" development/testing for years??? Being as nothing but BS. It now appears as for what started this thread to begin with, and the "Patriot" problem now, Poo has a real "management" issue to deal with. Perhaps too much "corporate" bad decisions being made, $$$$ wise??? And not enough "hands on know how to"?????? All the "old, real Poo" guys are gone???

 

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I Polaris has at least one tech bulletin out already.

Can you put up a link. I can't find it.

 

[zozo2]

I'm not intending to bash you snobuilder. It seems as this is just a very poor durability testing procedure issue on the 850??? No other excuse to be had!!! Perhaps Poo trying to get to the market for this model year??? My son has very loyal Poo friends in Idaho. They were all afraid of the new "Patriot" having problems due to not much testing on a totally new design??? They said last spring, that they were not buying into the 850 Patriot being out on the "real for life snow conditions" development/testing for years??? Being as nothing but BS. It now appears as for what started this thread to begin with, and the "Patriot" problem now, Poo has a real "management" issue to deal with. Perhaps too much "corporate" bad decisions being made, $$$$ wise??? And not enough "hands on know how to"?????? All the "old, real Poo" guys are gone???

I have been following you guys on this for quite awhile, and the last couple of sentences in this last post sure rings a bell with my comment that "...Don't any of the engineers and designers RIDE snowmobiles???..." I think this everytime I think about my SD GT's 900 ACE (on the third one now) that has a speedometer that goes up to 200 mph, no compass, and a clock that only tells time in 24-hour format! duh!

 

[eagle1]

Just got done texting the guy in the Appleton area, he bought his sled at Ken's, pto side crank bearing is junk. Again, less than 10 miles on it. The Breeze bought his at Ken's also, I bet he has the same problem.

Wow that's crazy. Buddy just got his last week, he's pretty worried.

 

[indy_500]

I truly believe Polaris engineers have been beating on this motor for years with much success. BUT, these were handbuilt prototypes with a VERY close eye on quality control. MUCH different than the units flying down the assembly line being put together by a $15/hr employee whose never ridden a snowmobile... If you want successful results for a mass produced product you have to have a dummy proof manufacturing procedure to get these things together. THAT is where I think Polaris has been lacking for YEARS. The 850 Skylar is talking about with less than 10 miles I actually think it doesn't even have 5. He is my coworker and it locked up moving it from his trailer to the garage. Time will tell but i think this is going to be a disaster for Polaris (sorry 850 guys). As for premixing the tank Polaris recommends NOT to do that anymore, and per the manual it wasnt supposed to be done on 2018s either. And in regards to riding mountain snowmobiles at elevation, yes the motors are wound up at max rpm VERY often, but, with less oxygen up high it is actually much easier on motors. Which, is why a motor that runs fine on pump gas at 10k feet often needs premium or better fuel at sea level. For example you could run 85 octane in a sled in the non ethanol setting at 10k feet. Try that in the UP most likely will detonate and blow up within a couple hours.

 

[Skylar]

I did not mean that a dealer has anything to do with the issue. Just saying that they were both purchased there, that is all.

I doubt the dealership has a thing to do with it unless there was a certain number built one way and then a redesign was introed and Kens got a series of the bad ones?....but no one is saying there was any sort of change made to the 850 bottom end.

Polaris has at least one tech bulletin out already.

 

[old abe]

I truly believe Polaris engineers have been beating on this motor for years with much success. BUT, these were handbuilt prototypes with a VERY close eye on quality control. MUCH different than the units flying down the assembly line being put together by a $15/hr employee whose never ridden a snowmobile... If you want successful results for a mass produced product you have to have a dummy proof manufacturing procedure to get these things together. THAT is where I think Polaris has been lacking for YEARS. The 850 Skylar is talking about with less than 10 miles I actually think it doesn't even have 5. He is my coworker and it locked up moving it from his trailer to the garage. Time will tell but i think this is going to be a disaster for Polaris (sorry 850 guys). As for premixing the tank Polaris recommends NOT to do that anymore, and per the manual it wasnt supposed to be done on 2018s either. And in regards to riding mountain snowmobiles at elevation, yes the motors are wound up at max rpm VERY often, but, with less oxygen up high it is actually much easier on motors. Which, is why a motor that runs fine on pump gas at 10k feet often needs premium or better fuel at sea level. For example you could run 85 octane in a sled in the non ethanol setting at 10k feet. Try that in the UP most likely will detonate and blow up within a couple hours.

I find it hard to comprehend that Poo did not run several "pilot runs" of the 850, on the "real" assembly line, in real time??? Not buying that one bit!!! This is a very important procedure!!! No matter the number, 10, 20, 50, or what ever??? We would do this many times, pilot runs, before market release. Some units would go to dedicated customers for real, live time testing. Others hard testing by the Co. Then, they would all be brought back in, completely tore down, and fully evaluated!!! If its true that Poo did not do this, then Poo has a whole bunch of idiots onboard!!! Poo won't be around long doing things this way!!!!!!!!! I said before, maybe all of the "old hands on, know how" guys are gone!!! Yes Indy, the less oxygen, the less octane needed. As proportionate to compression that is.

 

[dwz]

200 miles on 850 Indy XC from Kip, just keeps getting better and better!!

 

[snobuilder]

I'm not intending to bash you snobuilder. It seems as this is just a very poor durability testing procedure issue on the 850??? No other excuse to be had!!! Perhaps Poo trying to get to the market for this model year??? My son has very loyal Poo friends in Idaho. They were all afraid of the new "Patriot" having problems due to not much testing on a totally new design??? They said last spring, that they were not buying into the 850 Patriot being out on the "real for life snow conditions" development/testing for years??? Being as nothing but BS. It now appears as for what started this thread to begin with, and the "Patriot" problem now, Poo has a real "management" issue to deal with. Perhaps too much "corporate" bad decisions being made, $$$$ wise??? And not enough "hands on know how to"?????? All the "old, real Poo" guys are gone???

This bearing fitment is an issue right from the drawing board. Surely these mannies all tear each others engine apart to see how they are built and borrow ideas from each other..... this pto bearing has no inner race.... the rollers ride directly on the crank shaft. With aluminum(case) and steel (crank) expanding at different rates, there needs to be some sort of mechanical stop to keep it from "floating"

If I had an 850 this year, I'd be letting it warm up thoroughly and probly not be hammering on it much til this gets sorted out.

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I did not mean that a dealer has anything to do with the issue. Just saying that they were both purchased there, that is all.

10-4

 

[snobuilder]

Can you put up a link. I can't find it.

The way I understand it is, the oil line gets blown off due to back pressure when the bearing floats and covers the port
The smoke and mirrors of this "team tip" is that no one was reporting oil lines coming off any engine but the 850....LOL

 

[byr 13]

POOPOO kept changing my dates too , went to my dealer Friday and got my money back and went and bought a new SKI DOO.

smart decision

 

[1fujifilm]

I truly believe Polaris engineers have been beating on this motor for years with much success. BUT, these were handbuilt prototypes with a VERY close eye on quality control. MUCH different than the units flying down the assembly line being put together by a $15/hr employee whose never ridden a snowmobile... If you want successful results for a mass produced product you have to have a dummy proof manufacturing procedure to get these things together. THAT is where I think Polaris has been lacking for YEARS. The 850 Skylar is talking about with less than 10 miles I actually think it doesn't even have 5. He is my coworker and it locked up moving it from his trailer to the garage. Time will tell but i think this is going to be a disaster for Polaris (sorry 850 guys). As for premixing the tank Polaris recommends NOT to do that anymore, and per the manual it wasnt supposed to be done on 2018s either. And in regards to riding mountain snowmobiles at elevation, yes the motors are wound up at max rpm VERY often, but, with less oxygen up high it is actually much easier on motors. Which, is why a motor that runs fine on pump gas at 10k feet often needs premium or better fuel at sea level. For example you could run 85 octane in a sled in the non ethanol setting at 10k feet. Try that in the UP most likely will detonate and blow up within a couple hours.

I got my new 18 800 this fall in Little Chute, WI and it has oil in the tank. I had to hold the throttle open a tick just to get it cold started before riding it.
With only 25 miles on it, I am excited to get it on the railroad grade, somewhere..anywhere.

Bear

 

[POLARISDAN]

How do you know they are not breaking them in? I also know of another person in the Appleton area with an RMK 850, it is at the dealer right now, waiting to hear what happened to it, it locked up on him, less than 10 miles on it. I didn't think I was going to have any issues with my 12 RMK 800, cause ya know, Poo had fixed the issues on their 800 by then, but, low and behold, 2900 miles and she lost a cylinder. Im not saying all 850's will have issues, but people talking about their issues is one way for everyone to be aware. When I bought my 05 Doo 600 sdi early release renegade, I already knew, because of info on the web, that the rings would go bad, maybe. So, I did a compression test as soon as I got it home, and every 300 miles after that. Every compression check I did, it was down. I replaced the pistons and rings after the first season, just so I wouldn't have any down time, cause, ya know, doo said there wasn't an issue. LOL.

remeber..i had a 12 AND 13 800 GO DOWN...i swore off POLARIS and figured i hadda change my JD name..

then the 15 came out and i smartly waited..did they fix the muddafkr? and bought the 16 and 17..they have been awesome..

sorry my friends(cupl i know)..never buy polaris first run..i learned the hard way

 

[POLARISDAN]

Were they early delivery or did they just get them? Wondering if the reason for the delay is actually fixing the bearing issue. I got 200 on mine. Maybe I'm ok? I guess I will know in a couple weeks...

omfg..im scared for u bro..fukme

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This is pure conjecture but, did Polaris still require Dealers to put additional injector oil in the gas tank of these 2019 850's for the first tank?
I bought my 18 800 Poo and they did. Coming from a Doo, I thought; this is silly as the Doo's have been computer controlling oil mixture rates for years during break-in.

Bear

nope mandatory..something about no oil and being dry from the factory..all of mine including the burned down ones had it

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200 miles on 850 Indy XC from Kip, just keeps getting better and better!!

u hope

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I got my new 18 800 this fall in Little Chute, WI and it has oil in the tank. I had to hold the throttle open a tick just to get it cold started before riding it.
With only 25 miles on it, I am excited to get it on the railroad grade, somewhere..anywhere.

Bear

thought u got an 850?

 

[1fujifilm]

omfg..im scared for u bro..

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nope mandatory..something about no oil and being dry from the factory..all of mine including the burned down ones had it

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u hope

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thought u got an 850?

No, old school 800.

Bear

 

[old abe]

No, old school 800.

Bear

Not worry POLARISDAN, he's seizing for a 850 Poo!!!!!!!!!!!! Any day now, as he can't hold out any longer?????????

 

[goofy600]

Word on the street is they have a shortage of delivery drivers. Ton of sleds sitting in crates ready to ship but no onr to deliver them. The delivery route heads up into canada first then across to the east coast and back towards the midwest so usually takes a good 10 days to get from Polaris to your dealer. But who knows, maybe it hasnt been built yet. They're probably too busy trying to figure out all the 850 problems...

I would call BS on that though there are way to many trucking companies out there they may not want to pay but I just can’t believe it is a shipping problem.

 

[old abe]

He likes his captain morgan... My only experience with him was my 800 long rod motor that made it 9 miles and split the crank in two pieces... So you are seeing these 850s breaking down in real life? I kept telling myself these were mostly trolls trying to stir the pot.

Hey slimcake, don't be picking on the Captain, he's a good guy!!!!. Mr. Morgan has been a real good friend of mine for a long time. Very dependable too, I must say, he's always there for me, eh???