THEY WANT OUR MONEY For this what you all think?

thunderstruck88

New member
the only thing that got lost in all that is the 11 men that died on the oil rig may we all say some prayers for them and there families and if it was Eco messing around with may they all be tried for murder and jailed for the rest of there lives
 

ezra

Well-known member
think of how many now know why they should voted for McCAIN....he'd shut the spigot off and noone woulda liked that....glad i didnt vote for spare change...AHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

mcCain is not much better he has voted many a tax increase and to expand the fed that is the prob with the GOP I would bet no more than 5 have actually read the party platform it they had they would have to change parties.
 

samc

New member
mcCain is not much better he has voted many a tax increase and to expand the fed that is the prob with the GOP I would bet no more than 5 have actually read the party platform it they had they would have to change parties.

We need a party that will represent the middle class. The middle class pays for everything and we have no one that represent us!
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
Not an argument for or against, but some more info

This is an interesting topic, but it goes a little deeper than just the 32 cents per barrel tax. Oil companies are responsible for the direct costs of cleanup from a spill...dollar for dollar. The indirect economic costs like fishing, hotels, tourism, etc. are capped by federal law at $75 million. There is, however a caveat in there that allows for recouping those costs above the cap in the event of a finding of negligence.

The fund that is established by the now 8 cents per barrel tax is what is used to pay these expenses over the $75 million cap, the balance in the fund is now about $1.5 billion, which will not cover the BP problem. So the government wants to raise the tax on the oil companies to fund the economic cleanup fund. This 32 cents per barrel will be passed on to the consumers, it is generally accepted that the effect at the pump will be negligible. Unfortunately, for some reason, the effect on our deficit is $130 billion, for which there is little info.

There has also been an attempt to raise the economic liability cap from $75 million to $10 billion. For those of you that like to blame one political party over another, note that the measure was introduced by a Democrat from Florida, it was killed by a Republican from Idaho.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37205691/ns/gulf_oil_spill/

Now, here's the rub. We pay for this one way or another, either with a 32 cent a barrel tax with minimal impact at the pump, or with significant price increases at the pump because of the increased costs to insure oil rigs and drilling operations with an increased liability. Also, the Republican from Idaho also cited the impact on smaller drillers and noted that they might be forced out of the market because they could no longer afford the $10 billion risk, thus making Big Oil even bigger.

And, while this is occurring, remember that it is occurring under the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which is providing billions of dollars of subsidies to oil drillers, and is targeted to the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-oil-spill-subsidies-20100525,0,6081187.story

And again, for those of you who like to keep score by party
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-132

So there's the question....Do we, as citizens of the USA underwrite the liability cost of oil to keep gas prices down and maintain some level of competition, or do we let the market pay the costs?

Two things we demand in America are cheap food and cheap gas. Both commodities are significantly underwritten by our tax dollars.
 

frnash

Active member
So the Repub's in Arizona have one interesting choice in the primaries this fall, McCain, or J.D. Hayseed er… Hayworth, our very own Senator Jack S. Phogbound (from Al Capp's Lil Abner comic strip of 1934 - 1977), or perhaps Foghorn Leghorn 'wanna be'. Decisions, decisions!
… the impact on smaller drillers and noted that they might be forced out of the market because they could no longer afford the $10 billion risk, thus making Big Oil even bigger.
As in "too big to fail"? Now where have we heard that before?
 

Trick / Track

New member
What about all the billions of profit BP makes per quarter?
If my company would create a problem, I would have to pay for it.
Why shouldn't BP pay for their own mistakes, so they sell their product to the public, so do I, but I couldn't get my customers to pay for my mistakes.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
What about all the billions of profit BP makes per quarter?
If my company would create a problem, I would have to pay for it.
Why shouldn't BP pay for their own mistakes, so they sell their product to the public, so do I, but I couldn't get my customers to pay for my mistakes.

Not sure I understand your question. We are a nation of laws, and the laws are that the company must pay dollar for dollar for the direct costs of the cleanup, and their liability for indirect costs is capped at $75 million. BP has said they will pay for all legitimate indirect costs, but there is no legal requirement for them to do so.

Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and David Vitter of Louisiana have proposed codifying this agreement with BP:

http://murkowski.senate.gov/public/...Group_id=c01df158-d935-4d7a-895d-f694ddf41624

As mentioned in my earlier post, the proposal to raise the $75MM cap was defeated as it may present a significant barrier to drilling companies to drill in deep water.
 
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