There are ATV maps and snowmobile maps. Buy them and educate yourself. Tracker I do not agree with you on this one and I usually don't say much or get into arguments because nobody wins, but you're simply wrong on this one. A gate is enough of a sign. If you're foolish enough to ride around yes locked gates, then you already know you're in the wrong unless you're passed out and using the force.
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I will say from first hand experience its very difficult to keep atv riders out of an area that has established atv tracks. Even around closed gates. There are many legal trails on maps having closed gates atvs are supposed to go around. It's common practice. At the very least there needs to be signs attached to the gates, and one on each end on a post, smack dab in the center of the trail around the gates. If its well used, there is a possibility a few riders actually believe its a trail and will look to take it again. I would go all in if it were my decision. Maybe even making the gates wider with some posts and barbed wire.
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a couple of youse guys....GET IT...and I didn't say it falls on the land owner either....the club put up the sign or gave the sign the landowner if I am correct....so why not just put up another sign or like a sled sign that says THIS WAY TO BILLY THE FINNS....only it will say go 5 miles east and connect with trail # and so on.....this will stop aboot 95% of the crossings because 95% of the riders are from another area or state who WOULD GLADLY not go thru the gate if there was an option posted....that all I am saying....no blame on landowner or club either.....just ONE MORE SIMPLE SIGN....if you cannot understand that then continue on as before....going around the gate will be the norm since its an ESTABLISHED ATV TRAIL OR TRACKS....its human nature....where do I go from here...forward is like 5 blocks....no one is looking....its the wilderness who is gonna care....the locals I asked all said we all go thru the gate so go ahead....(since we all don't like MR STAY AWAY tell everyone we all ride thru)....that will teach em to be nice.....a simple reroute or detour or this way 3 miles west to connector sign would go a LONG WAYS....plus if it was my land....that's what I would do if I didn't want people on it....it would say.....follow the 2 track left to connector....or whatever....I would not just have a keep out sign and gate closed in the middle of a dam trail....THATS PLAIN OUT IDIOTIC AND WONT WORK...whether you agree with me or not...I am giving you all a working solution....cry about it...or add the freaking sign....good luck....LMAO
I am going to chime in real quick and say that I think signs would be a good idea for ATV/SxS trails. Here is why. I our system actually uses gates on the ATV/SxS trails. That is to keep the trucks with mud running setups out. The way it is done is that the trail is blocked by the gate and there is an area just wide enough for a SxS to get through on the one side. So riders actually have to go around a closed and locked gate to legally ride that section of trail.
I do not remember the signage at the gates, but I know this system is used in other areas too. So it does add a bit of confusion. Some may argue that is a crappy way to keep trucks out and but let ATV/SxS's get by. I am not going to get into an argument with that. However, it actually serves it's purpose very well and is way less expensive than trying to put something else in to accomplish the same task.
Plus, a rider unfamiliar with the area comes up to a gate, how do they even know they are on the right (legal) side of it if there are no signs? If there are tracks going around the gate, that only makes matters worse.
I know that having, reading and understanding maps also goes a long way towards keeping folks out from where they are not suppose to go and that signs will not keep everyone out, but seems like a pretty simple thing to do to help keep some out that are just confused.
-John
I do not remember the signage at the gates, but I know this system is used in other areas too. So it does add a bit of confusion. Some may argue that is a crappy way to keep trucks out and but let ATV/SxS's get by. I am not going to get into an argument with that. However, it actually serves it's purpose very well and is way less expensive than trying to put something else in to accomplish the same task.
Plus, a rider unfamiliar with the area comes up to a gate, how do they even know they are on the right (legal) side of it if there are no signs? If there are tracks going around the gate, that only makes matters worse.
I know that having, reading and understanding maps also goes a long way towards keeping folks out from where they are not suppose to go and that signs will not keep everyone out, but seems like a pretty simple thing to do to help keep some out that are just confused.
-John
Am I the only one whose brain pretty much explodes reading this? It's like 30 unfinished thoughts. That's all I have to add, just funny every time I come across these posts I just skip right past them.
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we didn't expect you to add anything meaningful to this conversation anyways so we all skip right over yours as well....do you sweat reading a book?
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well put john....exactly what I am talking aboot....its not rocket science.....its smart trail management....so we don't lose them....and the 4x4 trucks do ALMOST ALL OF THE DAMAGE.....but try telling them that is another story...as it stands now...sleds and atvs are against each other....IMO they should be striving together....but Dboe03's answer about sums up the attitude....there heads hurt just talking aboot it
PS...this was shortened so Dboe03 can try to read it....LMAO
Yes, SkylarGrant Hoar
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Would additional signs help, yes.
Without them, what about turning around and going back down the open trail you just rode, to the next tee and sign?
So you can't get to where you want to go by the originally planned route. Find another route; seems like that is half the fun of snowmobiling, is ATV'ing really that much different?
Without them, what about turning around and going back down the open trail you just rode, to the next tee and sign?
So you can't get to where you want to go by the originally planned route. Find another route; seems like that is half the fun of snowmobiling, is ATV'ing really that much different?
WorkHardPlayHrd
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Yes Grant Hoar the same old way does get boring. A gate with a no trespassing winter use only sign just means, let's see where else I can go instead. The only time that philosophy for adventure doesn't work is when your Snowmobile or ATV has been flashing low fuel for the last 20 miles! Then your like now what do I do.
The predicaments we put ourselves in! Maps and backup plans. Never leave home without them.
The predicaments we put ourselves in! Maps and backup plans. Never leave home without them.
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now you guys are starting to get it....and the other thing that makes the maps and gates useless is....so your buddies use a brick and mortar map when they are out riding or do they use google maps and have the phone do it....most use the internet way now...and if theres no signal to get maps up....then what do you think the directionally challenge majority of people elect to do at that moment...go around the gate since there is no sign telling them the way...forward is the way they all know....how many times have you sat somewhere like that and go....hmmmmm...maybe we should all go back the way we came....
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mrsrunningbear
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Yes posting " NO ORV's Allowed " signs (DNR provides these signs) at gates where riders can not go around is the right thing to do. Also if you are allowed to go around a gate, right in the other side should be a confidence marker telling the rider it's ok to go there.
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well hopefully one of ya goes and talks to the owner and gives him some signs and you both figure out a reroute and direction to take and belay his fears and he will then know we all care aboot it and are looking for a solution....before the seasons ends...even if the sign is with marker and board
chiefcheese
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We traveled down to Gay from Mohawk and I will also agree with John Dee - the gates closed are something that made me double take if we could go around them or not. Then the logging areas.... They actually have DNR signs that say trail is close to logging. We talked to a trail coordinator in the area and he said they do that all the time, and that the DNR doesn't close trails that the club managing that area does. So there's so much info - good / bad - truth or fiction out there that riders just don't know sometimes.
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no....this will not work at all....they ALL need to be.....AT THE GATE...reread cheifcheese again