twin lakes/south range accident?

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olsmann

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Actually if you read both of my posts you would see I said twice "I dont care what anyone chooses to do with there own lives"
 
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whitedust

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This thread is about an accident seems to me drinking & riding should be another topic & another thread not in good taste to be discussing in this thread. Just my IMO but the riders & families involved would not appreciate this banter on this thread.
 
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cuzzinolaf

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Just out of curiosity... if you wreck after having ONE beer, would your accident be considered to have alcohol involved and would you be treated like you're the anti-Christ on here?
 
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snobuilder

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No matter what side you are on you have to realize and support that small statements such as "Alcohol is believed to be a factor in this crash" absolutely SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!!
 
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soxfan3

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snobuilder said:
No matter what side you are on you have to realize and support that small statements such as "Alcohol is believed to be a factor in this crash" absolutely SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!!
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VERY TRUE! The sport gets a bad enough name as it is, but to place that in an article when it is not true is very unfair to the people involved. Wait until ALL facts are in place before making that statement. In this day & age I would think a person could sue for slander? I hate that about todays society but it happens.
 
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mezz

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cuzzinolaf said:
Just out of curiosity... if you wreck after having ONE beer, would your accident be considered to have alcohol involved and would you be treated like you're the anti-Christ on here?
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Exactly!

snobuilder said:
No matter what side you are on you have to realize and support that small statements such as "Alcohol is believed to be a factor in this crash" absolutely SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT FACTUAL EVIDENCE!!!!!
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Could not have said it better myself! Never Assume, it makes an A$$ out of u & me!-Mezz
 
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snobuilder

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Along with the freedom of the press comes responsibility to report accurately...IMO there are far less reporters and increasingly more REPETERS.
 
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snobuilder

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"overly salted fries, 6 jalapeno poppers, a silo a red bull, coke-a-cola, 3 advil and possibly the last 1/2 hour of a 5 hour energy drink are believed to be a factor"....
 
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anonomoose

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cuzzinolaf said:
Just out of curiosity... if you wreck after having ONE beer, would your accident be considered to have alcohol involved and would you be treated like you're the anti-Christ on here?
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Let's try and clarify this!

Whether you drive a tractor, truck, or two wheeler...once in a very bad accident your blood analysis will determine if you had A DRINK! Since alcohol was determined to be consumed, then it now becomes a factor. This will always be associated with at least some guilt in a contributory process.

It disturbs me when I hear someone say that in order to be BAD, you have to have been determined that you blew .10 blood level. This is the level which law says you are intoxicated, but it surely does NOT mean that if you blow .099 you are able to drive, successfully...this is fact. Do people drink and drive and make it home with one drink...of course many do, but that does not mean that if they got into an accident it did NOT contribute to the accident. Drinking slows reflexes which COULD contribute to an accident, and you don't have to be legally drunk to have drinking ....even one drink, a contributing cause.

Also if there is an accident between two snowmobiles colliding and the press says that "alcohol was a factor" this does not mean that BOTH snowmobilers were drinking...and it is very likely that only one was drinking and the other was not but the accident happened and both may have been killed or seriously hurt...so passing judgement on the entire accident is very short sighted. Alcohol may have been a factor but unless the accident only involved one snowmachine, there was a good chance that one of the snowmobilers was without guilt as to drinking....and in fact could have also been a cause of the accident even though that person had not drank a drop.
 
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snobuilder

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anonomoose said:
Let's try and clarify this!

Whether you drive a tractor, truck, or two wheeler...once in a very bad accident your blood analysis will determine if you had A DRINK! Since alcohol was determined to be consumed, then it now becomes a factor. This will always be associated with at least some guilt in a contributory process.

It disturbs me when I hear someone say that in order to be BAD, you have to have been determined that you blew .10 blood level. This is the level which law says you are intoxicated, but it surely does NOT mean that if you blow .099 you are able to drive, successfully...this is fact. Do people drink and drive and make it home with one drink...of course many do, but that does not mean that if they got into an accident it did NOT contribute to the accident. Drinking slows reflexes which COULD contribute to an accident, and you don't have to be legally drunk to have drinking ....even one drink, a contributing cause.

Also if there is an accident between two snowmobiles colliding and the press says that "alcohol was a factor" this does not mean that BOTH snowmobilers were drinking...and it is very likely that only one was drinking and the other was not but the accident happened and both may have been killed or seriously hurt...so passing judgement on the entire accident is very short sighted. Alcohol may have been a factor but unless the accident only involved one snowmachine, there was a good chance that one of the snowmobilers was without guilt as to drinking....and in fact could have also been a cause of the accident even though that person had not drank a drop.
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the way this reads is, if a good hearted sledder stops to pick up a couple beer cans on the trail in a clean up effort, and then gets hit by a totally sober sledder, it would be righteous to report that "alcohol was believed to be a contributing factor"???
 
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cuzzinolaf

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snobuilder said:
the way this reads is, if a good hearted sledder stops to pick up a couple beer cans on the trail in a clean up effort, and then gets hit by a totally sober sledder, it would be righteous to report that "alcohol was believed to be a contributing factor"???
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It also means that he would answer my question with a yes.

One Miller Light with lunch/dinner (really, just ONE beer), you wreck because some throttle jockey comes into your lane in a turn, you're at fault, alcohol played a part, and now you're scum of the earth.
 
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cuzzinolaf

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and heaven forbid you use mouthwash or accidentally drink a bottle of rubbing alcohol.

I'm being over the top but realize the seriousness of the topic. Hopefully everyone is alright and learned from this accident.
 
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fusionfool

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anonomoose said:
Let's try and clarify this!

Whether you drive a tractor, truck, or two wheeler...once in a very bad accident your blood analysis will determine if you had A DRINK! Since alcohol was determined to be consumed, then it now becomes a factor. This will always be associated with at least some guilt in a contributory process.

It disturbs me when I hear someone say that in order to be BAD, you have to have been determined that you blew .10 blood level. This is the level which law says you are intoxicated, but it surely does NOT mean that if you blow .099 you are able to drive, successfully...this is fact. Do people drink and drive and make it home with one drink...of course many do, but that does not mean that if they got into an accident it did NOT contribute to the accident. Drinking slows reflexes which COULD contribute to an accident, and you don't have to be legally drunk to have drinking ....even one drink, a contributing cause.

Also if there is an accident between two snowmobiles colliding and the press says that "alcohol was a factor" this does not mean that BOTH snowmobilers were drinking...and it is very likely that only one was drinking and the other was not but the accident happened and both may have been killed or seriously hurt...so passing judgement on the entire accident is very short sighted. Alcohol may have been a factor but unless the accident only involved one snowmachine, there was a good chance that one of the snowmobilers was without guilt as to drinking....and in fact could have also been a cause of the accident even though that person had not drank a drop.
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No disrespect intended but; Just for the record, I believe the law in MI, WI, and MN is 0.08. Just reading your post did not want someone to think snowmobiling had different laws for limit.
 
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russholio

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On a side note, "illegal" and "not smart" are not necessarily synonymous.

With regards to the original post, glad that nobody was killed. Our snowmobile community does not need that, nor do the victim and his family.
 
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anonomoose

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fusionfool said:
No disrespect intended but; Just for the record, I believe the law in MI, WI, and MN is 0.08. Just reading your post did not want someone to think snowmobiling had different laws for limit.
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Right you are! Of course if the driver is under 21 it is zero tolerance.
 
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