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The worst thing that they did was to close the schools. Very few would have succumbed to it and a huge amount of herd immunity would have happened. But then day after quarterbacking is easy.
highhertel
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Silver Lake College near Manitowoc shutting down.
What a wonderful institution started by the Franciscan Sisters.
Back in the day, I attended career day and gave presentation
for insurance career. Could still hear the nuns yelling at the college students.
Brought back memories of my parochial days.
Online teaching may be only choice some day, hope not though.
highhertel
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Agreed, hope is eternal. Unfortunately the ‘new normal’ is not
Going to look like what we were all use to. I can go into much more detail, but you are
Correct, this is a snowmobile site. Cheers.
WorkHardPlayHrd
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What my 12 year old wants for birthday/Christmas present is a GoPro. He wants to do videos of what will basically be him getting into trouble.
Check out the 1968/9 Hong Kong flu - kids were out sick, but classes kept going. Stores stayed open, but people practiced "social distancing" - yet 100k+ died from it, in the US. 1M+ world wide died from it. Census numbers in 1970 were ~205M for the US.
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A doc friend of mine who is in NYC saying under 16 year old kids getting hit hard with Kawasaki disease, which is being transmitted via COVID virus. Good luck with schools opening in hot zones. Also, COVID virus was just found in placenta of 2nd trimester pregnant woman.
So all these "stay at home orders" are going to prevent people from getting sick? Are 'they' going to announce this wonderful "Nobody will ever be sick again" cure?
I'm just becoming more and more uncomfortable with surrendering decision making to the Government. Where will it end? Will our "freedoms" ever be given back to us?
And I'm not talking about some right wing bring your guns and Trump flags to a rally, that those who agree with these controls think we are all part of if we disagree with the controls. We are where we are, the medical professionals have given us guidelines to help us get through it. There is NOTHING that is preventing it, yet. Let people decide if you are comfortable with getting your hair cut (Like ALL those who tell us to stay home are doing) or shopping at the small mom and pop shops, etc etc., for those who WANT to open up. Some are not comfortable with that, and may be in a better position financially not to. Do all the things we have been told will help "flatten the curve" and get on with life. Financially, we've destroyed A LOT more than we realize.
And I don't want people thinking I'm someone who has no skin in the game. My mother is 79, and dead center on most of the risk factors given to us. She is following all the guidelines, but she's going out and meeting her friends, socially distant. We can do this.
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And if all these fancy tests had been available in the time of the Hong Kong virus or the Spanish virus I am certain both of those viruses would have had strings attached too. And yet somehow man survived. As he will this time around too
goofy600
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I don’t know how I feel about your thought on this. Yes kids mostly healthy but what about all the adults that come in contact with the kids. My wife is a teacher in good health so wouldn’t be real concerned with her health but we live with my mother who has numerous health issues. So again not sure on how I feel about your idea more than just children are involved. Now do I agree with everything that has been done “no” but I don’t have any idea of a fix either. My 2 cents.
dfattack
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I'm starting to figure out which "experts" I feel comfortable believing on TV. Not because they agree with me but that they seem to have common sense (as opposed to book smarts) and are now starting to adjust their thinking to real actual data instead of "models". It seems the experts who rely on models are more of the doom and gloom the sky is falling everyone's going to die camp. The experts who rely on actual data and are in the middle of this everyday say to isolate the older sick people and not the kids or younger generation. I agree that the virus could be transmitted to an older grandma or grandpa...so isolate them and let the kids go to school. I say this because actual data now says they most likely could have. Everyone has their own circumstances where adjustments had to be made, but I personally don't agree that it was wise to keep the kids out of school, especially once we knew the kids weren't at risk...which was now several weeks ago. Any type of return to the "old normal" is welcome in my book.
MN schools are DONE for 2020. Already been "proclaimed". And the line of cars in front of the elementary school picking up supplies was around the parking lot yesterday.....
dfattack
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Already cancelled for this fall too?
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The rationale for closing schools was never to protect children. See the following:
"For mumps, you need 92 percent of the population to be immune for the disease to stop spreading entirely. This is what's known as the herd immunity threshold. COVID-19 is, fortunately, much less infectious than mumps, with an estimated R0 of roughly 3.
With this number, the proportion of people who need to be infected is lower but still high, sitting at around 70 percent of the entire population.
Which brings us to why herd immunity could never be considered a preventative measure.
If 70 percent of your population is infected with a disease, it is by definition not prevention. How can it be? Most of the people in your country are sick! And the hopeful nonsense that you can reach that 70 percent by just infecting young people is simply absurd. If only young people are immune, you'd have clusters of older people with no immunity at all, making it incredibly risky for anyone over a certain age to leave their house lest they get infected, forever." - GIDEON MEYEROWITZ-KATZ (epidemiologist)
"For mumps, you need 92 percent of the population to be immune for the disease to stop spreading entirely. This is what's known as the herd immunity threshold. COVID-19 is, fortunately, much less infectious than mumps, with an estimated R0 of roughly 3.
With this number, the proportion of people who need to be infected is lower but still high, sitting at around 70 percent of the entire population.
Which brings us to why herd immunity could never be considered a preventative measure.
If 70 percent of your population is infected with a disease, it is by definition not prevention. How can it be? Most of the people in your country are sick! And the hopeful nonsense that you can reach that 70 percent by just infecting young people is simply absurd. If only young people are immune, you'd have clusters of older people with no immunity at all, making it incredibly risky for anyone over a certain age to leave their house lest they get infected, forever." - GIDEON MEYEROWITZ-KATZ (epidemiologist)
Oh sorry, 2020 class, no decision on next fall - yet.
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Not saying we could have gotten to herd imunity JUST by letting the schools stay open. But it would have been a good first step. Yes grandma would have been at risk and the teachers would have had to be in moonsuits. Not a perfect solution to any of this. Six months from now we will be smarter.
goofy600
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Dfattack I would agree with the kids part but a lot of the work force could be affected older teachers and teachers with health concerns. But like I said don’t have an answer for that part, do you make it like the meat plants and make it essential work or what? I’m just glad I don’t have to make that decision like the government has to we ( my wife and I) only have to make the decision for our family if we feel safe for her to go back to work next fall when school opens again as of now she is online teaching and doing the best she can for her kids.
OK, but the kids are taught by adults, fed by adults, supervised by adults. Assuming you are correct about kids not being sick, the process of bringing them all together involves a lot of adults that can get sick and spread the virus.
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