Thanks for the lengthly description, I actually read every well thought out sentence in both of your posts - but I can't listen to PJ! LOL
Why Weren't We Ready
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Thanks for the lengthly description, I actually read every well thought out sentence in both of your posts - but I can't listen to PJ! LOL
personally my 2 cents here, is , why weren't we prepared better or ??
is real simple
most folks all take for granted things will never happen really like this
and this includes the government and its logic!
the things we stock pile,. tend to be things that maybe don't matter as much
I am sure our government has warehouses full of a LOT of things, but they just didn;'t help us here!
and with all the parties anymore only trying to make each other look bad, than fixing anything
I doubt that helps in times like this
again human nature, everyone wants THERE side/views to be the one's that matter! and never wanting to give an inch to the other side!
and yes MONEY< I am sure funds that were once set aside to have things for stuff like this got altered into other things, !!
stealing from Peter to pay Paul!
is real simple
most folks all take for granted things will never happen really like this
and this includes the government and its logic!
the things we stock pile,. tend to be things that maybe don't matter as much
I am sure our government has warehouses full of a LOT of things, but they just didn;'t help us here!
and with all the parties anymore only trying to make each other look bad, than fixing anything
I doubt that helps in times like this
again human nature, everyone wants THERE side/views to be the one's that matter! and never wanting to give an inch to the other side!
and yes MONEY< I am sure funds that were once set aside to have things for stuff like this got altered into other things, !!
stealing from Peter to pay Paul!
dfattack
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Yes, I agree with you. The most important thing is what are we going to do next time? Shutting down the economy to the extent that they did is not the answer and the more time that goes on more and more people are going to say ENOUGH! You and I have agreed on this since the beginning of this mess. Thank God I got my PPP money before they ran out. I really feel for the other small business owners at the mercy of their banks trying to get the funds.
and to comment on what I mentioned earlier. Yes, it is easy to arm chair quarterback...however we do have agencies that are specifically created to plan for events like this. That's their job. I believe they even run simulations to see how prepared we are. I'm not 100% positive on this...but don't you think we should if they aren't??
Trump has been preparing for it
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielc...errer=https://www.google.com&_tf=From %1$s
There's this too if you want to read...look online for PDF
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snobuilder
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Dfattack you make more sense than many....
We all know the economy needs to reopen blah blah, but do you do it at the costs of another outbreak.
We can't STILL get enough tests to get a handle on this. Even less promising is the idea that we can't get tests to inform everyone whether they have the antibodies or not. Until then, or unless a vaccine comes into play, I am not optimistic about things "getting back to normal".
We all know the economy needs to reopen blah blah, but do you do it at the costs of another outbreak.
We can't STILL get enough tests to get a handle on this. Even less promising is the idea that we can't get tests to inform everyone whether they have the antibodies or not. Until then, or unless a vaccine comes into play, I am not optimistic about things "getting back to normal".
jmvette427
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This wasn't the flu bug, which we plan for, this didn't come from the Wet Markets. China knows the cant beat us militarily but they can attack us biologically. We weren't ready because it was an attack and not with guns, bombs or rockets. They will weaken us physically and mentally but more so economically.
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dfattack
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Obviously I don't have the answers to your questions and of course I'm not an expert. I also don't believe you need to be to have an opinion. We DO need to get back to work. Time and time again we see "revised" stats that start to move towards the original concept that I agreed with and that was to compare this to the flu. Yes, maybe more contagious but many...and I mean more than we even know...have had it and were just fine. I don't personally believe the 6 foot distancing thing...I believe to be truly safe it's much more than that. More than is even possible to function in society. We all can't stay home indefinitely. I told my family last night at the dinner table...I believe one day they will determine that masks don't do much other than in a controlled environment like an operating room. you touch one infected surface with your hands, then your mask and now you are done. Contaminated. Cross contamination is a big deal. Take a food safety class and see how important it is prevent the spread of something.
Totally agreed with travel restrictions. Don't agree with an induced economic melt down. Sorry for those effected by the virus, but we can't destroy one thing to help another thing that was inevitable.
Wouldn't have been hard at all to have PPG (N95 masks, face shields, and protective gowns) on hand and in storage. These items have no shelf life, and are relatively inexpensive. Having them could have saved many health care workers from getting the virus. People with loved ones in critical condition could have been "suited up" and allowed to vistit their loved ones, and say their final goodbyes. To many SAD stories of loved ones not being there. When patients were "on their death bed".
Ventilators maybe not so easy of solution, much more storage space required. But they should have had on hand more than the absolute minimum needed to supply ICU depts. Even out-dated ventilators could have made a difference, getting them on more of the patients that needed them. Instead of having to pick and choose who got hooked up to them.
Long term storage of PPP gear and ventilators are above my pay grade. I would think special packaging and kept in a sterile climate controlled facility is costly best run by the feds. I have worked on both military spec and pharmaceutical projects in my past. Lots of requirements must be in place to participate. Imo the feds will be on it now in a big way backed by public tax support. Unfortunately we learn by experience and spend money when we need too. In some ways Covid 19 is a wake up call to action. Right or wrong we learn and pay THE hard way just life in the USA.
whitedust:
It sure would be nice if I could easily tell where the quoted text ended and yours began.
Ya just gots ta stop editing out any part of the beginning:
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and/or ending
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quotation delimeters — including the accompanying SQUARE BRACKETS!
(I can't use square brackets in the above example, or they'd be treated as quotation delimiters!)
This ain't rocket science!
sweeperguy
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whitedust:
It sure would be nice if I could easily tell where the quoted text ended and yours began.
Ya just gots ta stop editing out any part of the beginning:
"{QUOTE=whitedust;493430}"
and/or ending
"{/QUOTE}"
quotation delimeters — including the accompanying SQUARE BRACKETS!
(I can't use square brackets in the above example, or they'd be treated as quotation delimiters!)
This ain't rocket science!
No kidding EH? Easy fix in my reply to him. AND to make this post somewhat proper.
Didn't fix completely, but delimited (sic? Or no?) Franks from whitedusts.
The worst part of messed up quotes. Is following with a "reply with quote"
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saber1
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I know this is getting too political so if u want to remove go ahead but this might shine a little light on why we were not prepared decide for yourself
https://www.propublica.org/article/...nXP5ekl-XCH9VfXI6FCAmgy5wX3sbVQwKABZy_A2VjLyk hindsight is 20/20
https://www.propublica.org/article/...nXP5ekl-XCH9VfXI6FCAmgy5wX3sbVQwKABZy_A2VjLyk hindsight is 20/20
sweeperguy
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The garbage pail kids, saw this coming in 1986. And we still weren't ready.
snobuilder
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Here is a link for you....how prepared could this cash have made us, bucko?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-se...cash-to-iran-after-initial-payment-1473208256
starts off like this....
The Obama administration followed up a planeload of $400 million in cash sent to Iran in January with two more such shipments in the next 19 days, totaling another $1.3 billion, according to congressional officials briefed by the U.S. State, Treasury and Justice departments
saber1
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Took it on the Chin? What does that have to do with not funding the replenishment of the stock pile if you want to pull out every wasted dollar an administration blew thats fine Gee wonder what would of happened if we didnt start a war with Iraq where could we spend that money so u see this could go on forever. What the **** does money to Iran have to do with what this post asked Why we were not prepared? why they didnt blow the money on replenishing the stock pile .Your going off on a tangent must of hit a nerve.You want to debate why the stock pile wasnt funded thats fine but i am not going to debate u about some thing that has nothing to do with topic at hand I understand sometime the truth hurts a little Its hard to believe that maybe just maybe your team screwed up and lacked foresight.By the way the link wont open up the article unless u subscribe.Bucko?
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saber1
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snowbuider u should of picked a better example on your deflection that story u posted was half true we didnt give Iran Us dollars but actually Unfroze there assets they had in overseas banks as part of the Nuclear deal so lets get back to the topic at hand Really if you keep going down this road i am sure they will kill this thread.https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/ U do know that the wall street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch same guy who owns Fox news not exactly a center leaning organization.Bucko?
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snobuilder
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triggered?
George Soros on the other hand is a is a great guy?
BTW....thank gawd for Fox, TWSJ, Rush, Hannity, Levin, our local radio folks etc.....otherwise we'd have nothing but FAKE NEWS.
FACEBOOK is even censoring right minded speech and thought.
Let each county have a say in opening back up.
George Soros on the other hand is a is a great guy?
BTW....thank gawd for Fox, TWSJ, Rush, Hannity, Levin, our local radio folks etc.....otherwise we'd have nothing but FAKE NEWS.
FACEBOOK is even censoring right minded speech and thought.
Let each county have a say in opening back up.
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snobuilder
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WHOA....that is hilarious!
Talk about scare mongering....don't let the Gestapo see that!