Yamaha Cutting Production.

[zr600]

Supposedly they are limiting production and limiting amount of models due to carry over new models from previous year. Excess inventory kills bottom line due to having to discount last years new models. They are trying to right size to make more money.

 

[old abe]

It is Econ 101 as long as the demand is there to support the higher prices. That's a big assumption. If not, then they're basically shooting themselves in the foot.

With a near-analog, kissing cousin in the Cat 7000/9000 as a direct market competitor, Yamaha dealers should pray that their customers are brand loyal to a fault, because if that doesn't happen then it is a bit like GMC saying we're going to lower our production to drive higher prices, while Chevrolet - with the exact same product offerings - sits in the corner with a confused look and rakes in all the sales and money.

Tons upon tons of examples in our economy of low margin, high volume business models that do exceedingly well - many of them are manufacturing industries. Those companies and products that do well in the opposite model - high margin, low volume - really have nothing to do with a basic manufactured consumer product like a snowmobile.

Agree!!! You nailed it.

 

[journeyman]

Thanks maddog. The Sidewinder sold awesome!!! Lots of people don't like Yamaha but they aren't going anywhere. We do strong numbers every year and it's made my parents and now my family a living for many years. They treat us like family and nobody, I mean nobody treats their customers better when it comes to warranty. Odd isn't it? Once again the nice guy finishes last LOL!!! I've dealt with all 4 manufacturers and none of them make it easier to deal with the customer than Yamaha. I bet Honda, Suzuki, and Kawasaki dealers would say the same thing. I give Yamaha credit for this bold move. It will make their dealers healthier, period! Now come up riding, the trails are awesome!!!

Thanks Kip! That makes me feel better. There is a lot of gloom and doom going on all over the internet forums. Yamaha is done!!!! If you know what I mean...?

 

[1fujifilm]

Supposedly they are limiting production and limiting amount of models due to carry over new models from previous year. Excess inventory kills bottom line due to having to discount last years new models. They are trying to right size to make more money.

Gotta clear out those 2014 Vipers.
Problem is a 2018 Viper after discount/rebate starts at only $9,400.

Bear

 

[Highflyer]

It's a 2 year plan at this point and Yamaha is a 4 season company so they aren't going anywhere. I understand the cost of production but with Textron they have flexibility to taper back for now. Nothing new other than the SRX right now. I sell anywhere from 80 to 100 new Yamaha's a year and my allocation is 10!!! Yes it hurts but I understand it. Snowcheck is wide open so that's a good thing. Just giving you all information that I know. I always try to give you all as much as I can, good or bad. When I know more I'll let you all know

I think the used market really needed this move and wouldn't mind seeing all brands do it. Trying to sell a 1-3 year old sled you absolutely get hosed.

 

[ss440]

i wouldnt be surprised if yamaha is done making their own sleds for good. I could see them continuing building engines for textron. It would be a very drastic move to stop production then years later come back in to a market that they left as the smallest player. I hope I'm wrong, we all lose if were down to three manufactures soon. If they come back with a two stroke they would have a chance.

 

[journeyman]

I do find it strange that over in Scandinavia there is a Cat built sled with the Cat 600 2s twin being marketed with Yamaha branding, colors,graphics.. etc.....

 

[kip]

Time will tell but I do know they aren't going anywhere. It's a 4 season company and they have no plans to not be just that in the future. That's exactly right, we need all 4. In the end we're all on the same team

 

[journeyman]

Time will tell but I do know they aren't going anywhere. It's a 4 season company and they have no plans to not be just that in the future. That's exactly right, we need all 4. In the end we're all on the same team

So true!!

 

[snobuilder]

I just reread the part where Kip said he can order 3 leftovers a day til they are gone.....270 sleds by June 6, 2018 for example....until we get a verified well depth...who knows....810 by Dec. 6, 2018???....LOL

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Changed wheels at 10,000 no exhaust gaskets 3 different belts never broke one 2 sets of hyfax 2 sets of skis tri hub Yamaha warranty did the clutch bearing. Just oil changes so everything else would of been fine. Had one more of warranty people were fighting over it to buy it. They did replace the brake at 13000 but did not cost me anything

Thanks, Harvest 1121
Yamacats sound like a much easier sled to maintain than any of my genuine Yamaha 4 strokes......Now I find out the EXUP starts crumbling at around 12000 mile.....$2,000 repair part....

 

[old abe]

I just reread the part where Kip said he can order 3 leftovers a day til they are gone.....270 sleds by June 6, 2018 for example....until we get a verified well depth...who knows....810 by Dec. 6, 2018???....LOL

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Thanks, Harvest 1121
Yamacats sound like a much easier sled to maintain than any of my genuine Yamaha 4 strokes......Now I find out the EXUP starts crumbling at around 12000 mile.....$2,000 repair part....

snobuilder, does your warranty cover this???? Perhaps too late???

 

[snobuilder]

snobuilder, does your warranty cover this???? Perhaps too late???

Only if it is some sort of government mandate concerning exhaust regs....???

 

[yamadooed]

hijack...so sorry, but with those miles I'd be on a 3rd set of exhaust gaskets, 3rd set a front end bushings, 4-5 sets a regular hyfax slides, numerous idler wheels and my clutches would have a deep groove in them from the 8 DN belt on my Apex OR Vector.....assuming you owned it all or most of those 13000 miles....What type of maintenance issues come with the Vipercat?

You can add 3 subframes to my list...

 

[old abe]

Ha ha, I hear ya!!! If it was automotive, you would probably have some recourse??? Is this device post engine, exhaust??? Or is there a possibility of internal engine damage??? Friend has a Apex, it has some age, and has spent $$ in the past to try to PM, and prevent problems. But I have not heard him talk of this. Slides, wheels, ski's, skags, yes he spent quite a bit the first few years to get it as he liked.

 

[snobuilder]

Ha ha, I hear ya!!! If it was automotive, you would probably have some recourse??? Is this device post engine, exhaust??? Or is there a possibility of internal engine damage??? Friend has a Apex, it has some age, and has spent $$ in the past to try to PM, and prevent problems. But I have not heard him talk of this. Slides, wheels, ski's, skags, yes he spent quit a bit the first few years to get it as he liked.

Heard of ppl eliminating the EXUP with an AM header .....still -$1000+

 

[yamadooed]

BFD whats anutha $1000 on a $14000 sled Snobro...

 

[old abe]

Heard of ppl eliminating the EXUP with an AM header .....still -$1000+

Okay so no engine damage concerns??? I am trying to figure this out. He is not very mechanical minded at all. Does this have to do with engine braking, as to the high RPM 4 banger engine in the Apex??? Somewhat to lessen the braking as such???

 

[snobuilder]

Okay so no engine damage concerns??? I am trying to figure this out. He is not very mechanical minded at all. Does this have to do with engine braking, as to the high RPM 4 banger engine in the Apex??? Somewhat to lessen the braking as such???

Nope...
EXUP makes more power in the midrange by using a butterfly type valve in the header pipe.....all titanium .

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BFD whats anutha $1000 on a $14000 sled Snobro...

$7000....and like new w/2000 miles.

 

[Hoosier]

How is this program going to be effective if Cat isn't doing the same thing for their shared sleds? Does Yamaha offer anything you can't get in a different color at the Cat dealer?

 

[old abe]

Nope...
EXUP makes more power in the midrange by using a butterfly type valve in the header pipe.....all titanium .

What's your opinion as the best solution to this??? He will keep this sled I am sure.