Well I have shifted gears. I am now looking at purchasing a Yamaha Sidewinder 2017 thru 2019. Was wandering how well these take the moguls, and also if you sit up higher than the 2013 Vectors. Getting older and like sitting up higher while riding. Also how well they handle on trails must riding will be on trails. Looking at 136 or 141 track length. If anyone interested in selling send me a PM
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Yamaha Sidewinder
- Thread starter heitz66
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Procross is totally different seating position than the Vector yes knees are pressed back and you are upright reminded me of the 2003 original rev but a bit more relaxed. I preferred the doo or poo seating position more than the procross. The Yamaha turbo engine is a substantial increase in HP from the NA Vector and a modest 180 hp maybe 200 hp from 125hp might be difficult for you but it does spool up nicely. The SW steers like a truck imo but my prior Apex had eps. You should test ride a SW before you buy very different sled from the Vector no matter what length track you prefer. Good luck with your selection and give Kip a call at Pat’s always used 4s there.
harvest1121
Well-known member
I ride a Viper second one I thought the SW handled a lot better. The extra power really helped. One more season on the Viper and do not know what I want but something with more HP
Well I have shifted gears. I am now looking at purchasing a Yamaha Sidewinder 2017 thru 2019. Was wandering how well these take the moguls, and also if you sit up higher than the 2013 Vectors. Getting older and like sitting up higher while riding. Also how well they handle on trails must riding will be on trails. Looking at 136 or 141 track length. If anyone interested in selling send me a PM
I don't know about the sidewinder specifically but we have the viper in our group along with a vector, and they are night and day difference in seating position and suspension. Viper is much better in my opinion in everything except power, which the sidewinder would obviously be different.
Paul@Pat's
Member
We do have a couple used Sidewinders in stock. Not enough snow left for a test ride but we can help you with anything Yamaha. Give us a call and we will see what we can figure out.
Thanks,
Paul
Thanks,
Paul
Had a 2017 cat ZR9000 (same sled) from my 4000+ miles of seat time , I love the sled for railroad grades, lakes, long back pack trips.... ride awesome, power unreal (lazy boy chair with a jet engine) only negative is.... if you ride twisty trails all day, the weight of sled gets tiring (for me it does)
bogiewheel
Member
Great comments on the Vector to SW but what about the Viper to SW? I ride back packs, grades and twisty and am OK with the Viper weight and handling. If the SW truck like handling is no worse than the Viper, I think I could be OK with it. Do need more power, choices seem to be SW or Doo 900T.
Since I’m on a 900t Enduro I picked the doo plenty of power ,comfortable riding position and the air ride suspension kicks a$$. The adjustable carbide skis with air ride adjustments allow for tweaking steering effort as conditions change during the day. Doug you can ride mine anytime see how you like it head to head on trail with your Viper. The Viper lacked hp for me too.Great comments on the Vector to SW but what about the Viper to SW? I ride back packs, grades and twisty and am OK with the Viper weight and handling. If the SW truck like handling is no worse than the Viper, I think I could be OK with it. Do need more power, choices seem to be SW or Doo 900T.
Great comments on the Vector to SW but what about the Viper to SW? I ride back packs, grades and twisty and am OK with the Viper weight and handling. If the SW truck like handling is no worse than the Viper, I think I could be OK with it. Do need more power, choices seem to be SW or Doo 900T.
Viper and SW are virtually identical, weight wise...within a few lbs anyway....I know, I had both....my Viper X-TX had an Evo Stage 2.5 reflash (155+ hp) and made a WORLD of difference in that sled...the SW B-TX has an Evo Stage 4 (260 hp) and is night and day difference...as to steering effort, play with skis/carbides of your own choice (or as my ball busting buds would say "grow a d***")...my own preference is Curves or Slydogs with Slim Jim Dooly bars...I handle the SW, no issues what ever and I'll be 74 this summer....on either sled you need to change the from skid spring to a stronger version (160 lb spring) and that change is dramatic in the handling/ride...less than $100 and WELL worth it...just my $.02 having owned and ridden both sleds
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Buddha is right for the most part. In the end the SW is 150 lbs heavier than an 850 Pol. It will never be flickable. But weight doesn't matter according to most on this site. The Sidewinder only shines on wide sweeping trails and lakes and rairoad grades. It is too heavy for tight trails and it has too small of a few tank for long distance cruising purposing. It will probably never blow up. But there are so many other issues that will ruin your day that it really doesn't matter that it won't blow up. A 600 Pol 2 smoker will do 90% of the things a SW will do. For a lot less money. And it will be more fun to ride.
WorkHardPlayHrd
Active member
Had a 2017 cat ZR9000 (same sled) from my 4000+ miles of seat time , I love the sled for railroad grades, lakes, long back pack trips.... ride awesome, power unreal (lazy boy chair with a jet engine) only negative is.... if you ride twisty trails all day, the weight of sled gets tiring (for me it does)
I have a 2017 Thundercat all the comments above are spot on. If you buy the sidewinder you will want to put on full dual carbides, not the partials. It rides like a dream though, and those clicker shocks are my best friends. Usually have the front in 2 and the rear in 3. Even though it weighs more I wouldn't go back.
Buddha is right for the most part. In the end the SW is 150 lbs heavier than an 850 Pol. It will never be flickable. But weight doesn't matter according to most on this site. The Sidewinder only shines on wide sweeping trails and lakes and rairoad grades. It is too heavy for tight trails and it has too small of a few tank for long distance cruising purposing. It will probably never blow up. But there are so many other issues that will ruin your day that it really doesn't matter that it won't blow up. A 600 Pol 2 smoker will do 90% of the things a SW will do. For a lot less money. And it will be more fun to ride.
Problem is the OP asked specifically about the SW...not some Poo...I tried to answer his question(s)....
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Problem is the OP asked specifically about the SW...not some Poo...I tried to answer his question(s)....
We know Buddha... that's just grub.... and as he stated he's trying to justify him feeling good aboot riding his wifes 600 pole smoker......ROTFLMAO
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Physics. Less weight is easier to manage than more weight. Front carbide. Rear track choice with or without studs. All easier with less weight. There is nobody on this site that spends more than two minutes a season over 100 mph. So why spend the money and buy the horsepower and weight that goes with it? Stupid.
I agree conditions have to be low traffic good groom to enter triple digits on trail unless blasting a lake but even on Midwest lakes you better know conditions ahead. Imo hp over 150hp is useless for most trail riders but to each his/her own. I took your first post as weight comparison lightweight champ 2s is Poo and heavyweight is 4s tcat and Sidewinder. Many in this post did say they liked the SW but wore them out on Twistys. Imo the doo 900t is the best 150hp 4s sled on the market that shines in most Trail conditions with plenty of power and light weight on straights and Twistys. To have the most powerful 4s on the market the Sidewinder you should have a good reason for dealing with the weight penalty because you don’t have to do that since doo offers the 900t. Imo go with 150 ponies best 4s rear suspension and the lightest package on the market which is the doo renegade 900t which is available in numerous shock packages. Imo the tcat and SW is aok if you are looking to have the fastest sled on the snow but I like both speed and handling and the Doo 900t is best of all worlds of 4s sleds.Physics. Less weight is easier to manage than more weight. Front carbide. Rear track choice with or without studs. All easier with less weight. There is nobody on this site that spends more than two minutes a season over 100 mph. So why spend the money and buy the horsepower and weight that goes with it? Stupid.
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My Sidewinder will be gone by the time it snows again. Contrary to popular belief they are not that fast. But they certainly are heavy. There are many inherent design flaws on the Sidewinder. Enough so that I would never trust it to ride alone or set off on a long distance run solo. I am going back to Poo which is something I thought would never happen. The 900 T in any variation is a good horse. But it is still heavy. I want to ride something rather than have something ride me.
... Contrary to popular belief they are not that fast. ....
Ride one that has had the ECU reflashed....even one like mine that is "mild" at 260 hp....then get back to me...
(P.S. I've had a bunch of fast sleds in the past....a Bender-prepped bored and ported 98 SRX7 comes to mind as one of the quickest....this thing is exponentially faster...FWIW)
harvest1121
Well-known member
A Lot of opinions 10700 miles on in the last 2 years on Vipers no issues. Wonder how a 850 etech or 850 Polaris would of performed or let me down. I do have interest in the Ski doo turbo but give it another year,