Yamaha Sled Talk....and rumors.

snobuilder

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[h=3][/h]Low Slung asked an interesting (and timely) question: The sled industry is pretty unique in that the press gets to ride the sleds before its release to the public (Not the norm in the car industry,too many spy pics before hand). Does it worry you guys that someone may get a snapshot of the new iron before its released to the world?
I thought I would share my response on the subject of spy-shots and leaked information prior to a new product release.
First, the media must sign ‘non-disclosure’ agreements and abide by our embargo timing when we give them advanced information on new models. They need extra time to prepare their publications and web-sites to coincide with print schedules and embargo dates. They would be open to law-suits if there was an intentional leak (note: we have never had to exercise this option to the best of my recollection).
We have had to deal with ‘spy’ shots getting leaked from inside sources and there have been cases where people have lost their jobs over this depending on circumstances. When it does happen there are generally two internal camps that quickly form. One side will be all freaked out, in damage control mode, wanting to recall, blame and punish (possibly justifying their own position). The only thing more damaging than having something published to the internet you want kept secret, is trying to chase it down and remove it – doesn’t work so good!
I tend to sit on the other side where, if I see no harm done (based on timing and details) it is fun to observe and embrace the ton of excitement (not to mention the free advertising) that’s created as the pics go viral in the ‘hunger for info’ enthusiast sphere. The social aspect of the internet along with camera phones and portables really have had a profound impact on all of this.


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And one that did!

Outside of the company lays a conspiracy group that rises up if there is any indication or conjecture the ‘leak’ was fabricated by a manufacturer to gain attention. We are not very good at that game-not at all. There are far to many politically correct people and processes inside of Yamaha for us to ever get consensus on breaking a rule. Instead we’ll hire an agency to produce a polished ‘teaser’ video ‘Hollywood style’ and proudly brand it Yamaha ‘revs your heart’, to get things buzzing. These clips are carefully designed not to ‘tip the wagon’ then approved by kings and council. I still chuckle when I see what some guys actually make of them – ‘I freeze framed the whole thing and found one millisecond of footage where, when I zoomed in 50x and applied an enhancing software program downloaded from a Russian hacker site, I was able to confirm by the heat signature it has three cylinders and the chase vehicle in the dusty distance was in fact a Gillette 1000…’ truly fascinating forensics.
The other source of leaks is far more nebulous. The old forum thread ‘I have a trusted friend in the industry and he told me…’ More often than not it’s bogus but there have been times when I read things containing details clearly originating from an ‘insider’. The best part of these ones is sitting back and watching the on-line banter as the ‘leak’ gets called ‘bull spit’ by other ‘seers’ or the comment gets hi-jacked then buried in a sheer flood of opinion.
I watched one of these unfold over on TY, I was almost believing the guy was legit before he tripped. I have learned not to react too quickly to this type of leak but there are times when the message needs to be heard. I delivered a little sermon at our last field staff meeting after reading something which I was able to determine came from one of our staff. Didn’t single anyone out, instead reminded all that their closest friend who they completely trust and confide in also has a closest friend who they completely trust and that person ain’t you!. My old pal Greg Marier once said something to me in Japan years ago. ‘Chris – two of us can keep a secret – if one of us is dead!’ Fortunately we are both still kickin’ and Greg san, your secret is still safe with me 😉
Stay tuned, I feel a ‘leak’ coming on! (maybe it’s that damned old age thing) – ‘Depends’ 😉 cheers cr




Sounds like someone got called out by people in the know.....LOL
 

renegade600

Active member
One thing that enthusiasts love about their hobbies is "rumor" and "gossip".... these are the things that peak interest. In my opinion a little leak here and there is good marketing, esp. when we are talking about extra spendable income.... people want to study up on the next newest and bestest, and want to get excited about their next toy purchase (we are not buying a refrigerator or stove are we) and argue who's latest and best is actually the latest and best........

A little rumor mixed with some fact leaked early is a good thing.... keeps the interest and fire burning.... :)
 

whitedust

Well-known member
One thing that enthusiasts love about their hobbies is "rumor" and "gossip".... these are the things that peak interest. In my opinion a little leak here and there is good marketing, esp. when we are talking about extra spendable income.... people want to study up on the next newest and bestest, and want to get excited about their next toy purchase (we are not buying a refrigerator or stove are we) and argue who's latest and best is actually the latest and best........

A little rumor mixed with some fact leaked early is a good thing.... keeps the interest and fire burning.... :)

X2 Lots opinion on what will be released by Yamaha for 2017. It's all in good fun & Yamaha faithful starved for new performance platform...just have to see but if you want to read 10,000 pages of speculation visit TY. :)
 
I'd like to see Yamaha come out with something exciting of their own. I grew up on Yamaha 2strokes, and loved those sleds compared to the competition of the time. hopefully the cat agreement was just buying them some time till there sled was ready. We'll see soon I guess
 

sjb

Member
If you read between the lines, there will be more from the partnership BETWEEN AC and Yami, not on Yami alone. While I do own many yamaha products, my vote would be in the same camp to have Yamaha be on their own. My guess is the business case does not justify and the partnership between AC and yami is keeping yami in the business. That is better than only having 3 to choose from IMHO.
 

Woodtic

Active member
Saw the Rush a year before its release. Saw two Yamawhomies last spring in the woods,that were preproduction. There is a lot of testing done in the woods,off the beaten path. You can't buy them until they are at the dealers,so why speculate. Preproduction is just that,who cares?
 
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Tracker

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they only thing we can hope for is that ARCTIC CAT drops Yamaha cause that yami*rap is bringing us all down. pls bring back SUZUKI MOTORS o god of snowmobiles
 

snobuilder

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If you read between the lines, there will be more from the partnership BETWEEN AC and Yami, not on Yami alone. While I do own many yamaha products, my vote would be in the same camp to have Yamaha be on their own. My guess is the business case does not justify and the partnership between AC and yami is keeping yami in the business. That is better than only having 3 to choose from IMHO.

WOW that would be a harsh reality to think that AC is the only thread tying Yamaha to snowmobiling.
Frankly i don't know what is fact. They laid out a "5 year plan" of new sleds and so far all that we see is different versions of what came out in 2014 along with a singleshot rear suspension and throttle by wire on the pure yamahas. Yamaha fans want a new Yamaha sled. period.

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Yep and as usual your perspective is suckin up Yamahass from behind.
 

momoney2123

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I think the writing has been on the wall for yamaha. But for the sanity of the few yamaha guys left still holding out hope something competetive will come from them and them only, i hope they do come with something innovative. I mean comon, at least boost an apex or something cool
 
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Cirrus_Driver

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they only thing we can hope for is that ARCTIC CAT drops Yamaha cause that yami*rap is bringing us all down. pls bring back SUZUKI MOTORS o god of snowmobiles
Wrong - you got that backwards. But u r entitled to your opinion of course.
 
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Deleted member 10829

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they only thing we can hope for is that ARCTIC CAT drops Yamaha cause that yami*rap is bringing us all down. pls bring back SUZUKI MOTORS o god of snowmobiles

Say what you want about Yamaha, but their engines are hard to beat for reliability etc.
 

Hoosier

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If the partnership continues where they share a chassis, I bet they would come outside with something really cool. For the current one, it seems that Cat designed it and then later it was adapted to fit the Yami engine. Not that there haven't been incremental improvements along the way, but it would be cool if Yamaha was involved along the way.

I grew up riding Yami's but their current chassis doesn't do anything for me. Just my opinion.
 

Banjo Man

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According to an article in American Snowmobiler Mag, opinion is Yamaha will replace the Delta Box II with a lighter chassis so bye bye Apex and Vector and possibly the Phazer will fade away.
 
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Cirrus_Driver

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According to an article in American Snowmobiler Mag, opinion is Yamaha will replace the Delta Box II with a lighter chassis so bye bye Apex and Vector and possibly the Phazer will fade away.
Drop 75 lbs. and add descent shocks to the chassis, in the Walker Evans class, and I'm on it. Best motors in the business.
 

old abe

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Super Trax leans to more YamaCat's. Seems the true Yami's are gone. That's is bad for all all of us. Many Yami guy's were hoping on "800" 2 stroker.
 

whitedust

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Super Trax leans to more YamaCat's. Seems the true Yami's are gone. That's is bad for all all of us. Many Yami guy's were hoping on "800" 2 stroker.

IDK... Abe just have to see Yami is cats largest customer and if put their heads together new engine new platform it could be very good.
This would be all new ground up I'm open to it.
 

old abe

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Need to have engine/chassis designed together from the get go. Yes, something totally "all" new.
 
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