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dfattack
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I would only add the pushing isn't as evident as it was in the 2006 - 2009 years. I owned and still own sleds from this generation. I had to fix by adjusting shock settings and aggresive carbides. Now with the new power steering (which in my opinion once you have it you don't go back) it seems the front ends got much better. Now with the new skis (which I don't have yet...even on my 2013) it could only be better. I may switch my skis to the new style but I have to research before doing so. I have my setup where I like it now with the old skis and snowtrackers. I may just experiment on one sled with the new skis. Your machine will come with them stock no matter which sled you choose. As you can see..me and Pete like to ride the same way and like very similar equipment. We pretty much are in agreement with each other on your issue. I will say it is personal preference. I know my son will like short tracks because he's younger and likes to spin out of the corners and he has more "fun" with a shorter track. He didn't like when I traded in my 2006 apex GT short track. I'm all over him when he does it because I appreciate trail conditions for other riders and the work the groomers do, but my point is people have different riding styles so just make the decision based on your preferences. You won't go wrong either way. Me and Pete like long sweeping trails with some twisties...but for me not too much twisties. Trail 107 is I believe a perfect example of what I/we like and the 144" track would be perfect. I am an expert with MY setups on MY machines. I know what I like and how to get it right. I will say that the ONLY thing I have done to my 2011 & 2012 XTX's are the snowtrackers. NO suspension adjustments so far. That's how right Yamaha has things on these sleds now. I"m not sure what's going on with Totally Yamaha right now, but I have gotten many good ideas from that site...the latest being the rear passenger grip warmers for my 2013 Venture GT. Awesome inexpensive mod that I highly recommend for the Venture.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Glad to help.
dfattack
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I do believe the switchback is tipped as well but Polaris does not promote tipped tracks maybe since they did it 1st a long time ago just old hat to them. As Darren said XTX push should not be a problem with Bergstrom triple points or snowtrackers up front the problem with 128 is to get 162ish hp to the track. I own a 136 Attak & 108 studs down the center do well to hook up & stop the sled no push with 8" triple points. I did ride the 2008 Apex GT 121 no studs & it did tend to spin the track a lot & the Atack 136 or XLT just handled so much better than Apex 121. The 128 track should help a lot over 121 but 144 so much better match for Yamaha 4s 162ish hp. Darren & I are very evenly matched on trail 107 me on 2007 Attak GT 136 150 hp & Darren on Apex 2011 XTX 144 162 hp my Bergstroms had the edge that day but Darren was still in break in & set up mode I think he was just past the 500 mile mark at the time. Darren could tell you but I also think he switched to aggressive snowtrakers after that day for more bite. Funny thing is we went to the Holiday Lodge in Phelps after riding & discussed our sleds & new Yamahas & I was conflicted regarding the Apex SE thinking it was too short & thinking the Apex XTX was too long at 144. Darren had no doubt the 144 tipped was the correct track for the 2011 & newer Apex. Since then I have changed my view & would buy the XTX 144 tipped as will cut down on stucks in deep powder off trail, unplowed FRs & powder on lakes which are part of my daily riding to trails in Phelps. My 136 does very well but with new EXUP 10 -15 additional poines 144 is a better match for all types of riding & I would never go less than 136 so why 144 tipped appeals to me now too. Darren was/is right 144 is best for new Apex.
Yes I agree with you Pete and yes I did install the aggressive 8" snowtrackers after that day. I had stock carbides at the time. snowtrackers huge improvement over stock (old skis). I even put them on my Venture GT! haha
Next time Pete you'll be in my whitedust! LOL
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pwolfy2003 just so you know the conditions the day Darren & I rode 107 the south bound side was very icy & was blown out down to ice in corners. We were rocking & rolling north bound with some blown out corners but nothing like the south bound side of the trail. We looped back south from BC on Trail 3 that had some big whoops that day but very few icy corners. I can't remember if I took Darren on unplowed FRs back to Phelps or routed thru trails in Lando but we had a good mix of everything that afternoon.
My doo buds on Xps wave the white flag on those unplowed FRs "Oh no Pete NOT those unplowed FRs"! I'm like "sure why not"? 13 miles of bumps & deep stuff trumps 60 miles of groomed so-so twistys but I'm riding a 136 & they are on those little 120s.lol
pwolfy2003
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You guys are too funny.
pwolfy2003
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Oh sorry,I chose the XTX. Coming from the 136 I think the push wont be a problem and from all the info from a lot of people the XTX should be a solid choice
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Excellent choice let me know when you want to sell it.
he won't be selling that for years why not go find a leftover 11-12 right now
Because I'm in no hurry what so ever to buy new or used at that this point in time current Attak has zero problems. Viper not an Apex replacement & Yamaha saying 5 new products in 5 years what ever that means so I can wait. BUT in the meantime if a super deal comes up on an Apex XTX & snow is flying I might do something to get EPS. I'm done with Spring deals unless a sled is released I just have got to buy but it would take one heck of a sled!lol New sleds too pricey so I need to have burning desire to buy & just not there for any 2014 brand.
money wise if u sell attack and find used 11 or 12 xtx it won't cost that much
Correct 0$ to keep my Attak meets my budget no interest in buying anything at this time I'm good.
pwolfy2003
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Whitedust, what year do you have ? how many miles on it?
dfattack
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Correct 0$ to keep my Attak meets my budget no interest in buying anything at this time I'm good.
that's because you haven't spent enough seat time on an XTX.
Which is good if you don't want to spend any money. It's better you Don't know what you are missing...Bought 2007 Attak GT as new non current in Jan 08 thru 2012 season have about 10,000 miles probably a little short but rounded off to 10,000. Just did donuts in Nov so probably will not have to do anything until 15,000+ miles change donuts again. Those Yammie motors may be in the 50,000 mile zone or even more but 10,000 miles for 150 is really not much as far as engine life. Basically change oil & filter use M1 0-30 full syn, hyfax, clean clutches, grease all zerks,charge battery & good to go for another season. I know you put on lots of miles so Apex XTX a very good choice for you nothing like your past Poos in the shop for major repairs every few weeks. You will wonder why it took you so long to buy a Yamaha gas & go sled just check the common sense stuff hyfax, chain & track tension flulid levels & good to go all season.
that's because you haven't spent enough seat time on an XTX.
I'm sure you will want something new soon so I'll keep an eye on your 2 XTXs when time to sell. Could be new Apex pure Yamaha next year as Yamaha saying 5 new products in next 5 years. I could be happy in the 145-150 4s HP zone don't really need 162ish Apex HP for trails & unplowed FRs. I do like the more relaxed rider forward position of Apex over Viper & I think Yamaha knows what their core market wants from them so wait & see for me.
i wouldn't say their completely maintenance free i have done a lot of work to mine in 16000 miles on my 2nd complete new skid a arm bushings from ulmers donuts new track half the rivets in the tunnel replaced with grade 8 bolts re riveting just does not work new drive shaft new upper lower main bearings all seals new drive chain probably spent around 3 grand in parts overr the years but i ride it hard at times but I've never touched the engine except oil changes