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lenny
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doo has an incredible ride but I'd seriously reconsider the 600 over the 800. Seriously, ask around because the 800e has real issues, kinda like the poo 800 of 9-11
some 800's will get a few miles but in general they wont make it to 4000 on the 10's, 11's and 12's
some 800's will get a few miles but in general they wont make it to 4000 on the 10's, 11's and 12's
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momoney2123
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We have had numerous over 4000 miles. Zero that havent made 4000 miles. Do the math.
Just dropped mine off for the update at 4300 trouble free miles. My dads had 7000 trouble free before he sold it.
Lenny where do you get all these facts of 800E with issues....dont say the internet lololololol.
Sure some have issues, as with how many are out there and the way people treat them sometimes is the root cause, but our group has a pretty large sample size without issue, so I would stongly disagree.
Plus a 13 or 14 will still be under waranty.
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lenny
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I have a friend who is a mechanic at a doo dealership and they are stacked up fixing burned down 800's. I will not name the dealer or the location so you are going to have to trust that I am not making it up.
Well, 2010.5-11-12 and maybe 13 there is a piston recall and that means something. If BRP will flip the coin to change the pistons that means the original ones are a big concern and yes, many are failing. You remember the plague of ring issues in 03-04 with the HO's? If a guy does the updated piston you will probably be fine and I would have to assume the 14's are corrected but keep in mine the percentage of all 800's in use to current 14's. Like I said, I am not sure of the 13's but I will try an ask my buddy next time I see him when I head to his area.
momoney2123
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The 2010.5's-2011's and EARLY 2012 models have recall, later build 2012's are already updated. Not 2013's nor 14's.
There's a difference between burned down and replacing piston updates. One of the largest ski-doo dealers in the midwest i was at on monday dropped of my 800E for the update. Not piling up there? Sure they had some others getting the updates so i duno, just dont see it nor hear of actual Burn downs.......and like ive said we have a lot in the group and know of many many more....I mean how you make these recommendations while you own a poo 800...i duno makes no sense to me. Maybe practice what you preach?
There's a difference between burned down and replacing piston updates. One of the largest ski-doo dealers in the midwest i was at on monday dropped of my 800E for the update. Not piling up there? Sure they had some others getting the updates so i duno, just dont see it nor hear of actual Burn downs.......and like ive said we have a lot in the group and know of many many more....I mean how you make these recommendations while you own a poo 800...i duno makes no sense to me. Maybe practice what you preach?
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800etec
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I got a 2011with 3800 on it,got the Doo recall,took it in,new pistons,good to go.....now,how long it will last? Wait and see I guess.
Trees4Traction440
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im with lenny and indy, I personally know of more 600 and 800 etechs that have burned then Polaris 800s. my dad is about to hit 7000miles on his 2013 Polaris 800 and we put a fuel filter and set of plugs in before this season.
but Polaris 800s all blow up at 2000 miles and skidoos run forever....right?
but Polaris 800s all blow up at 2000 miles and skidoos run forever....right?
momoney2123
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but Polaris 800s all blow up at 2000 miles and skidoos run forever....right?[/QUOTE]
No not at all. Not my point. 800E and Poo 800 are like us, only one thing gaurenteed, we are all gona die one day. With that being said, saying an 800E will not make it past 4K doesnt seem right to me as our sample size should have had at least a few not make it, all im saying. They are not world beaters by any means, but to say they are junk doesnt sit well with me.
No not at all. Not my point. 800E and Poo 800 are like us, only one thing gaurenteed, we are all gona die one day. With that being said, saying an 800E will not make it past 4K doesnt seem right to me as our sample size should have had at least a few not make it, all im saying. They are not world beaters by any means, but to say they are junk doesnt sit well with me.
Shift08 - I'll leave the bickering about 800's to the guys above........ I love my 800!
Chances are you won't find many of these sleds available. Given the good snow this year it seems that inventories are at a all time low. The two main dealers I know both are out of new/recently new sleds. Those Backcountry's seems to be popular sleds making it even more difficult. I took a quick look on ebay and the only one I saw was a 2010 with 7300 miles. Auction ends in 47 mins if your interested..... Otherwise I would wait till next fall to find a used one or you Spring order.
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lenny
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hold on,,they want the pistons replaced for a reason and that reason is because there is something wrong with them and to have them doing 8k rpm's isn't going to help maters. The point is to get the new pistons in before you do have a problem. If you got new pistons than your good to go. You ought to be able to run 10k with update complete. If you do not update you run serious risk of failure and no one want's that,,right?
You seem to take offense because your brand is Doo and I understand that but I'm sorry your brand is blowing up, I didn't build it! Your machines in your group are newer but all not people own the 13-14's. Some are out there buying used 10.5-11-12 and don't know and this may help them to learn, simple as that.
The reason why I am more aware of the situation is because I live where there are thousands of sledders and I talk to people. I don't just repeat crap off the net. My buddy Dave has 2 600e, one in a gade and the other a summit both awesome sleds and one close to 8000 miles. I am not bashing doo so please don't take it as that. Wouldn't you rather inform people of potential problem so they can avoid them instead if them getting messed up.
Trees4Traction440
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nobody called them junk, lenny just warned the OP that they have issues so be careful.
you have a big group of 'doo and most have been updated I bet so yours all are fine. if you didn't have them updated theyd all have had issues.
no worrys man. its like my brothers 09 800 dragon with 5000 miles on the updated top end. them sleds are "all junk too"
ride on
you have a big group of 'doo and most have been updated I bet so yours all are fine. if you didn't have them updated theyd all have had issues.
no worrys man. its like my brothers 09 800 dragon with 5000 miles on the updated top end. them sleds are "all junk too"
ride on
momoney2123
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Thats the first time you have mentioned if they have the update they are Ok. Previously all you have said is 800E are POS's period. Anyone who buys an 800 that doesnt have the update done they are still covered thru this year, so whats the big deal. I could go buy a 2011 800E tomorrow with no update and 3k miles and blow it up and its free. So their's not much risk. Like I said My 800 Wasnt updated and I drag raced that sucker hundreds and hundreds of times and rode it 4300 trouble free miles. I'm not repeating crap off the net , if that was the case they'd all be crap, see i have hands on expierence with the sled and many more i ride with. Not just word of mouth. They are faster before the updates so if you like to win drag races running old pistons as long is possible is only a benefit.
indy_500
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You have brand loyalty issues...
momoney2123
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I cant argue with that..........
Only people who have never had one would say this statement.
I guess all indy 600's blow belts because my buddy blew one at 300 miles on his.
You can't even compare the 800 polaris and 800etech. They have given a recall and rebuild on the 800etech but the people I know who have had it done had zero issues on the pistons and rings. I would rather have a brand be safe then not admit they have an issue. I don't keep my sled past 5,000 miles so I don't care.
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lenny
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I mentioned the same thing in my second post, post # 4.
"If a guy does the updated piston you will probably be fine and I would have to assume the 14's are corrected"
So let me see if I understand what you are saying, you would rather blow the mofo up and take it in for warranty which may now include a new crank, cylinders,,,, possibly case, parts are often on back order,,,,, because you think the machine is faster with old pistons? Do you realize that the recall can be done in a day and if you did indeed blow it up like my buddy MrFreeze did, he waited 3 weeks for a short block. Not many people would rather blow it up and have uncertain down time when they can take it in for a one day recall and not have extensive down time,,,but if that floats your boat, go for it!
firefighter1
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I have an 800 etec with 3700 miles and will have the update done after this season. I could be wrong but weren't the sleds at an elevation higher than 4000 ft or so having the most problems. I ride with a lot of doo owners and have not heard of one 800 burning down yet, but a few have had the update done already, maybe that saved them. I don't consider myself brand loyal, I have owned Cat , Yamaha and now Skidoo and I have more confidence in this etec than any of the other ones. I'm not saying doo hasn't had issues, what I'm saying is I believe it's a small percentage and I am amazed that doo is stepping up and fixing the sleds with problems and more amazed that they will fix the ones with no issues.
Just another piece of info - when they do the recall, they should check the tolerance of the crank. If it is out of tolerance then it is replaced as well. This is what happened with mine. In this case, it is not a simple one day fix in the shop.
If I bought one of these without the recall, I would cross my fingers and try to run it to the end of the season. When the ground is brown, bring it into the shop.
If I bought one of these without the recall, I would cross my fingers and try to run it to the end of the season. When the ground is brown, bring it into the shop.