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lenny

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Banks93 said:
Only people who have never had one would say this statement.

I guess all indy 600's blow belts because my buddy blew one at 300 miles on his.

You can't even compare the 800 polaris and 800etech. They have given a recall and rebuild on the 800etech but the people I know who have had it done had zero issues on the pistons and rings. I would rather have a brand be safe then not admit they have an issue. I don't keep my sled past 5,000 miles so I don't care.
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admitting a problem is the beginning to recovery!

Warranty Bulletin 2011-19 (released yesterday) involves the remaining low altitude 2011 800 E-TEC engine equipped vehicles. I've posted the problem/solution text below as was communicated to all Ski-Doo dealers yesterday. Be certain to note the requirements for completion. Like the previous campaign (2011-18), this is a campaign that will be supported by BRP and completed by Ski-Doo dealers for first, second, sixth, tenth... etc. owners through 2015.
PROBLEM
A. Under certain riding conditions, the piston ring locating pins may not meet long term durability requirements and may fail leading to severe engine damage.
B. The inner PTO crankshaft bearing seal may be incorrectly assembled and may fail leading to seal pop-out and eventually severe engine damage.

SOLUTION
A. Replace pistons with a new design, ONLY if the vehicle meets both of the following requirements:
– Vehicle used generally at an altitude below 1200m (4,000 ft).
– Vehicle has reached 5000km (3125 mi).

you are totally correct, BRP owned up and fixed it, that is a very good thing and I have high regards for them. In the non updated motor, it is a POS and everyone should run from that. Keep in mind the the PTO bearing seal was an issue, sounds like BRP jumped the gun and drove this puppy into production before it's time and now has to play catch up. Gotta give em credit for dealing with it perfectly unlike poo did.
 
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shift08

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I had a 2012 assault that I sold do to all the hype and knowing a couple personal people that burnt down. I now wished I would have kept it but to late now. I then bought a brand new 2014 indy 600 , clutched it ,1.25 track ,heavier torsion springs and just doesn't have the fun factor for me that I so miss. I have never owned a doo but I believe that 800 matched to a 1.75 track would bring back the fun factor for me . Well enough wishing,just looked outside and its raining hear. o well maybe next year.
 
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m8man

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well I can say this was in interesting post to read.

I'm starting to hear the winds blow....... now comes the snow.

m8man
 
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lenny

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800etec said:
I got a 2011with 3800 on it,got the Doo recall,took it in,new pistons,good to go.....now,how long it will last? Wait and see I guess.
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I wouldn't even think about it and you'll go 10,000 probably with no issues. The motor is a strong, responsive efficient power plant that pulls hard. Have fun with it because the chassis is equally impressive.

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Trees4Traction440 said:
im with lenny and indy, I personally know of more 600 and 800 etechs that have burned then Polaris 800s. my dad is about to hit 7000miles on his 2013 Polaris 800 and we put a fuel filter and set of plugs in before this season.

but Polaris 800s all blow up at 2000 miles and skidoos run forever....right?
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I know of very few 600's and I mean almost nill, The 600 seems to be very reliable, IMO
 
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doospunk

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shift08 said:
I am looking for a deal on a new or slightly used 2013-2014 backcountry 800. Anyone know of any dealers that have a deal on a left over ? When does Doo usually run there best deals ?
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Like the Polaris thread, there are just a lot of "junk" opinions on here from people who have little to no experience with them, and heard from a friend, who heard from a guy, who heard from a yada yada yada. Good luck on your search. Just start calling around to dealers and see what they have left. I've had 2 800 Etecs, an 800 Ptec, 800 HO, and 800 SDI in my last 5 sleds. All have perforned great. If concerned about the durability of the 800 doo's, go check around the forums on Dootalk and Snowest where you will get all the input you want from folks who are riding them
 
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lenny

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I revised my post (#2) to include the proper years 10-12 so the doo loyalists don't work themselves into a frenzy, not sure why the truth is so threatening,,, but it is
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
I revised my post (#2) to include the proper years 10-12 so the doo loyalists don't work themselves into a frenzy, not sure why the truth is so threatening,,, but it is
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Its not threatening. Its the info your providing that because you know 1 dealer mech, that is like the holy grail. My non-updated 800 Etec went 4300 miles and was ridin and drag raced frequently. According to you Im lucky, i should go buy a lottery ticket. Well 2 other ones non-updated went 4k miles. So Our group is batting 3 for 3 non updated and there maybe more that im not thinking of, we should join the lucky club. Your data is word of mouth.....like i said the best dealer mech i ever meant rides an 800E as his personal sled. O yea its not all 12's like you mentioned only the early build 12's. And that bulliton you posted isnt what the dealers really go by. It doesnt have to have 3100 miles to get updated. As some i know got it done at 2K miles and no one has ever mentioned a thing about elevation, but maybe thats how your buddies dealer is doing it. Its not how our dealer does it. Friend has 1800 miles on his and he is getting it updated as we speak.
 
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momoney2123

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Not to mention the guy was orginally asking about a 13 or 14 which are updated, according to you those are fine in one post, but dont buy one in another.
 
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lenny

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momoney2123 said:
Not to mention the guy was orginally asking about a 13 or 14 which are updated, according to you those are fine in one post, but dont buy one in another.
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your right, I should have included the correct years, that for sure was a mistake by me but the fact remains that you loyalists cannot see further than your own sled when Doo themselves does. If I were you I'd follow the track Doo set in front of you (just accept it and move on) instead of defending a problematic motor. Doo didn't do like poo did so why do you feel the need to defend something doo themselves admit needed a fix,,, or as Doo says may not meet long term durability requirements and may fail leading to severe engine damage

not really following you about the different posts

Listen, it's really simple, Doo believes the old pistons and seals are a problem, problem enough that they will change them all for people so you don't experience engine failure. They even offered a recommended mileage so they have a good handle on the situation IMO. It says under some riding conditions the failure may occur. Maybe you have not meet that condition but maybe the next guy will so it is predictable that not all owner will experience failure and some may never but the fact Doo feels it could happen under these conditions than I'd take that seriously. The year sleds we have already discussed can easily have a problem so why fight it. The motor was assembled with inferior parts, doo wants to make it right and so be it.

Keep in mind I own a poo 800 and that is a real concern of mine but the machine and it's potential is worth it in my opinion just as the doo chassis is,,,and the doo motor is much less problematic than the poo. I am fine knowing my motor could go down and I really don't care about the warranty because when it blows I will probably not get it fixed by my dealer. I'll research the details and do the best possible fix out there myself. The good thing about Doo is that they identified the problem and publicized it, that is so valuable for the consumer. Us poo owner are left to figure it out. If poo did the same thing than that would be admittance,,, and look out if that happened because than the backlash would be tremendous.
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
your right, I should have included the correct years, that for sure was a mistake by me but the fact remains that you loyalists cannot see further than your own sled when Doo themselves does. If I were you I'd follow the track Doo set in front of you (just accept it and move on) instead of defending a problematic motor. Doo didn't do like poo did so why do you feel the need to defend something doo themselves admit needed a fix,,, or as Doo says may not meet long term durability requirements and may fail leading to severe engine damage

not really following you about the different posts
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Mine is being updated as we speak. Best sled and motor ive ever owned, bar none!!!!!!
 
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doospunk

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lenny said:
your right, I should have included the correct years, that for sure was a mistake by me but the fact remains that you loyalists cannot see further than your own sled when Doo themselves does. If I were you I'd follow the track Doo set in front of you (just accept it and move on) instead of defending a problematic motor. Doo didn't do like poo did so why do you feel the need to defend something doo themselves admit needed a fix,,, or as Doo says may not meet long term durability requirements and may fail leading to severe engine damage

not really following you about the different posts
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Lenny - Not sure who your directing this at. You and I have met on a few occasions. I'm fairly confident that you've never seen me blowing my horn about Doo in any of these threads. (That includes refraining from slamming other models on threads like that long winded Polaris one.) I don't consider myself a "doo Loyalist". I just like the sleds, and know my way around them better than others. Not to mention......, my dealer treats me well. Besides 2 other buddy's, my direct and extended group of riding partners are all on Cat and Poo. All 3 models have operated as good as the next mechanically.

Anyhow....., now that this thread has gone completely sideways from the original posters simple question, maybe someone can provide him a suggestion on where a leftover 13 or 14 800 can be found. It's been a great year for dealerships in the midwest for snow and all. I think my guy is all sold out with the exception of a 163 800. Keep an eye on the classifieds over on DOotalk and Snowest. I'm sure you'll see some start to come up fairly soon. Good luck.
 
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momoney2123

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doospunk said:
Lenny - Not sure who your directing this at. You and I have met on a few occasions. I'm fairly confident that you've never seen me blowing my horn about Doo in any of these threads. (That includes refraining from slamming other models on threads like that long winded Polaris one.) I don't consider myself a "doo Loyalist". I just like the sleds, and know my way around them better than others. Not to mention......, my dealer treats me well. Besides 2 other buddy's, my direct and extended group of riding partners are all on Cat and Poo. All 3 models have operated as good as the next mechanically.

Anyhow....., now that this thread has gone completely sideways from the original posters simple question, maybe someone can provide him a suggestion on where a leftover 13 or 14 800 can be found. It's been a great year for dealerships in the midwest for snow and all. I think my guy is all sold out with the exception of a 163 800. Keep an eye on the classifieds over on DOotalk and Snowest. I'm sure you'll see some start to come up fairly soon. Good luck.
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Your right. It did go sideways, saw this browsing.

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/sno/4339530039.html
 
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6mile

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My take on this is that we as consumers should demand a better product. The price of these machines keeps going up every year and the reliability does not. Yet year after year we buy them anyway and hope they get better shame on us as the consumer.

Oh and I have a 2013 poo 800 grenade waiting to go off. Should practice what I preach, I guess.
 
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lenny

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momoney2123 said:
Mine is being updated as we speak. Best sled and motor ive ever owned, bar none!!!!!!
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I cannot argue with you on that because Doo has incredible sleds, I have ridden them as that is a luxury of mine owning a lodging business and seeing so many different people and having a large network of friends. Point is I get to ride many different sleds and the 800 is super strong. I'm glad you are getting it updated cause all your worries (if you had any) can now go bye bye. It looks like we took the long way to get where we have come but that's fine. Communication is a good thing and I hope for some it can provide them with a better understanding so they don't get involved in an bad experience

doospunk said:
Lenny - Not sure who your directing this at. You and I have met on a few occasions. I'm fairly confident that you've never seen me blowing my horn about Doo in any of these threads. (That includes refraining from slamming other models on threads like that long winded Polaris one.) I don't consider myself a "doo Loyalist". I just like the sleds, and know my way around them better than others. Not to mention......, my dealer treats me well. Besides 2 other buddy's, my direct and extended group of riding partners are all on Cat and Poo. All 3 models have operated as good as the next mechanically.

Anyhow....., now that this thread has gone completely sideways from the original posters simple question, maybe someone can provide him a suggestion on where a leftover 13 or 14 800 can be found. It's been a great year for dealerships in the midwest for snow and all. I think my guy is all sold out with the exception of a 163 800. Keep an eye on the classifieds over on DOotalk and Snowest. I'm sure you'll see some start to come up fairly soon. Good luck.
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Chris, not at all towards you, I know you better than that bud. Slamming, bashing,,,,,I suppose it may be interpreted as such but some of that interpretation can come off as such because we are typing word and it's not like we can pick up on attitudes and intentions. I certainly have no agenda to bash any sled maker, person or motor. I do on the other hand feel compelled to communicate to others valuable info that can help them. I totally admit I have tons or room to refine my communication skills because often I go back and read some of my posts and think to myself, why did I say it like that. Maybe I just need more vitamin D. This site has many loyalists and it is often a problem and for me I see that as a challenge which more often than not, get's little improvement from me battling them. Anyways, have fun riding keep the rubber side up! ;)
 
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momoney2123

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lenny said:
doo has an incredible ride but I'd seriously reconsider the 600 over the 800. Seriously, ask around because the 800e has real issues, kinda like the poo 800 of 9-11

some 800's will get a few miles but in general they wont make it to 4000 on the 10's, 11's and 12's[/QUOTE

Was visiting with my dealer yesterday and talking with him about 800Es and all the so called problems. He has sold hundreds and hundreds of them. Said he has had 1 come back on a burn down. One of out hundreds haha. There is a huge difference between a burndown and an udpate being serviced. Some poo loyals seem to think this isnt the case but numbers never lie, but here say does. The 800e tecs will go and go, dont let the nay sayers tell you otherwise. Most are just haters of the yellow success.

Another cool thing about doo that was a suprise got a call from them and they said u have bought a lot of doos over the years and we would like to offer you 4 tickets to the blackhawks penguins outdoor game at soldier field. I said thanks but I am up snowmobiling. Dont ever hear stuff like that.
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