I do. why not more wins at sanctioned events?
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I do. why not more wins at sanctioned events?
momoney2123
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Haha good change of subject once you realize you were off about the 1200
There is only one class for turbo 1200 to run, outlaw...and yea not many doo guys spending the 75k to get a 1200 to compete in that class. if I remember there was one guy backed by dunn that did very well last year tho.
momoney2123
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Truth about sanctioned outlaw racing is the deepest pockets will win no matter the sled.
Cat Is still involved with grass dragging unlike doo, and im sure guys like hall and schiltz still get sleds for free, which helps offset some cost
But the topic at hand was stock 1200 engine, untouched being able to take big power, more than any other
All I know on the lakes we go looking for races especially cat turbos, In trail sled form they don't stand a chance
Cat Is still involved with grass dragging unlike doo, and im sure guys like hall and schiltz still get sleds for free, which helps offset some cost
But the topic at hand was stock 1200 engine, untouched being able to take big power, more than any other
All I know on the lakes we go looking for races especially cat turbos, In trail sled form they don't stand a chance
no not at all if that ez to push 500 out of that 1200 why not more wins . was not long ago 350 was taking home the gold .
I know it is fun to wave the flag but the old zuk was and is the gold standard for a huge hp drag sled only thing that takes it is a yammi with huge money tossed at it.
Kelly is not getting a free sled build cost.in fact BMP put a sunken insurance salvage one under him last yr. also a lot of the sleds that guys like Kelly and mike run are other guys sleds that they put the money in they just help tune/build and drive
momoney2123
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It is that easy to push 500 out of the 1200, just add more boost, and it will live...on the drag strip and off..
Never said the zuk isnt the gold standard for the drag ONLY guys. Put big power to that sled and actually use it down trail and it has a hard time without do internal engine mods to accommodate for big power
Ask mike, someone who owned the turbo cat, apex and turbo doo which engine is tougher in stock form, which was my point from the start.
The 900ace will never be able to make that power and we will see if doo goes that route or the turbo route at all. It hasnt worked for cat, we will see how it does for yamaha.
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what do u mean it has not worked out? they sold enough to off set EPA credits for yrs all while having the most powerful sled on the snow historically something cat has pushed for .dominated the grass and ice circuit for well 13yrs but the turbo has deff kept them on top for the last 9
deff not for every one including me. but I still love jumping on a 500+hp sled for 660 ft a few times a yr.
I hope doo puts a turbo or supercharger on a sled . I just hope when they do they don't go the sea doo rout and put in plastic junk with worse bearings
momoney2123
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They 2012-2014 cat turbos were a complete debacle everyone knows that. They were fast in straight line, and thats it, as long as you didnt go too far. Those years drove alot of cat people away, you cant deny that. But it sounds like the 2016 was the best one, altho they only sold 1600 turbo units last year. I wouldnt call that much of a success. Its peanuts in comp to 900ace and 1200 sales. If cats goal was to win some races then yea, its a success but making money is not something that project has done, which is the bottom line of the big 4. If doo see's a drop in market share you kno darn well they will bring back the mach to compete with sidewinder.
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I know the 12 were junk beyond that I can be debated . what 19 guys bought turbos to keep them stock. out of all the mod 330hp turbos out there less than 1/2 of the guys actually had any Idea how to tune a sled let alone clutching 101. I tell u what a few of the guys u mentioned above yanked the teams off and put cat clutches on there 16s. I know for a fact at least 1 mentioned above is still running the cat clutches at prinston next weekend.
like I said I am no fan of any 4st trail sled for how I like to ride but they have there place .
also I would love to see where u got the units sold numbers very hard to data come by even total units is hard to find
momoney2123
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Lot of things can be made about those sleds. Fact was they caused artic cat a lot of headaches,countless warranty claims, recalls, updates and lost customers. Something i think doo is very hesitate to try. If they doo im sure cracking the ECU will not be easy. They dont want people like you mention with 300hp. All it does is cause issues and IMO is bad business no matter how bad i would like to see the return of the mach. Its also why we or nobody can crack the etec ecus to lean them down. They could care less about drag racers.
All 1600 2016 cat turbos were...recalled...
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/Recall-Alerts/2016/Arctic-Cat-Recalls-Snowmobiles/
yeah cat really needed to crack down on warranty pay outs . I saw some stuff covered that blew my mind. a bud literally blew a hole from the top side of 1 jug out the other side of the other jug the size of a roll of d thick pencil . it was on pace for the WW at the time lol but still a dealer got it covered .cant remember how many pounds he was pushing but it did have a bigger turbo etc etc.
. no big HP well running cat turbo is running a cat ecu so if some one really wanted they could Vi Pec one and build there own tunes just not worth the $$ and time . now if huge boost was involved it would have or has been done already
. no big HP well running cat turbo is running a cat ecu so if some one really wanted they could Vi Pec one and build there own tunes just not worth the $$ and time . now if huge boost was involved it would have or has been done already
caged_beagle
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Actually, as long as you are soooo off of topic........the original topic actually had not one thing to do with snowmobiles, 1200 4-tecs or even grass dragging.
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momoney2123
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Welp it went into the 1200 being a better turbo candidate than 900. Sorry, back on topic. O yea its summer, all topics go a little off topic or the thread dies
Ill be shocked if doo goes turbo route especially with the 900ace engine. But we will see if new yamaha forces them to enter the market. Early rumors are they haven't lost any market share but who knows if thats true.
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momoney2123
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http://utvactionmag.com/news/the-new-can-am-maverick-x3-comes-out-victorious-at-vegas-to-reno
650 mile desert race the new 900aceT wins it. Should prove to be reliable if they choose to bring it to sleds in the next few years, but what chassis would it come in and is it worth the risk! I kno my dealer sold the snot out of 850's, but have heard some not so many. Will the sidewinder steal etec sales that is the question.
Hopefully if they decide to bring a turbo sled they spend plenty of time testing as the worst thing that could happen would be a repeat of the rushed 2012 1100 turbo
650 mile desert race the new 900aceT wins it. Should prove to be reliable if they choose to bring it to sleds in the next few years, but what chassis would it come in and is it worth the risk! I kno my dealer sold the snot out of 850's, but have heard some not so many. Will the sidewinder steal etec sales that is the question.
Hopefully if they decide to bring a turbo sled they spend plenty of time testing as the worst thing that could happen would be a repeat of the rushed 2012 1100 turbo
I don't see Sidewinder taking or moving in on 850 sales. Doo core market all about light flickable sleds Sidewinder all about 4s power big ponies but not light & flickable by any means. Power ratio to weight will be impressive for the Sidewinder but still a heavy 4s sled but does have many track options. To me what holds back 850 Gen 4 sales is the Xs 800 was good enough for many riders surley not a POS just because 850 & gen 4 is better. Gen 4 popularity will evolve as peeps trade up gradually & more Gen 4s available in 600s. Doo needs to up date 4s line with higher hp options 130ish just not enough for many and doo sells more 2s 800s than 600s so that tells you something about the type of HP peeps want either 4s or 2s and user hp market shift. To me 2s and 4s market are separate users & doo could take lions share of both but soft on 4s hp with current line.
momoney2123
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They just updated the 1200 to XS chassis last year with bosch ECU, ITC, and new header/muffler which is supposed to make more power than 09-15 1200's. Id be surprised if doo upstaged there 850etec with a turbo sled, id be even more shocked if they upstaged it with a NA 4 stroke. Just not gonna happen, way to narrow of market.
If what they claim about the new 850 is true, it is going to end up stealing back 4 stroke sales. Already lot of 1200 guys ordered 850 after saying they would never go back to 2 strokes. Time will tell if the 850 is the rock BRP claims
Just read SnowTech stated doo said first service of 850 is 7500 miles...no details of what that service would be but 4s nothing needed at least Yamaha engines until in the 20K mile zone. Oil changes or 2s oil a wash imo but 7500 miles too soon for enginee service only a couple of years for me. I wonder what needs to be done at 7500 miles with 850?? Top end?
momoney2123
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No way skidoo would say their new engine needs a rebuild at 7500. That would not be an improvement over current etecs.
Likely rave valve cleaning, spark plug change, clutches cleaned and inspected/adjust track and belt deflection, chaincase oil/chain adjusted, grease all fittings....stuff like that
if they truly gave a chit they would fix and or redesign there boosted water major issues that flawed design has been out for yrs .
momoney2123
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I dont kno anything really about them, but have 2 buddys who own the rxt-1 300hp or whatever it is and beat the snot out of it
I am happy that Doo continues to further develop the 2 stroke engine. It seems they are the only ones willing to, or perhaps able to do so. There are things you can do, and places you can go with a 2 stoke sled that just doesn't work with a 4 stroke. That is due to total weight, and its placement. If the 850 does what Doo wants it to do, they will sell big numbers. The high hp 2 stroke is a different type market than the high hp 4 stroke market. And that is good, to each his own!!!!!