harvest1121
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I did have the issue on mine last weekend was fixed in a few minutes. First time in 13000 miles on a viper not a big deal better then a 2 smoke motor going down.
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2016 Yamaha Viper Hard Cold Starting
- Thread starter starlaker
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don't know about the viper, but on the cat version there is NO easy way to get near the fuse box, the hood removal requires tools and is a not the most fun job to do
I would NOT want to try to do it trail side I know that
two torx's screw on each side and then two on the bottom at bumper, way too easy to drop and loose on on the side of a trail IMO
piss poor design of where the fuse box is , all the more so if its cold issue related
they do sell a fuse box re locate kit, but its far from cheap for what all it looks like it is IMO
and this whole deal is again on a snow mobile, a cold weather toy, cold temps shouldn;t be something you have to worry about on it !
I would NOT want to try to do it trail side I know that
two torx's screw on each side and then two on the bottom at bumper, way too easy to drop and loose on on the side of a trail IMO
piss poor design of where the fuse box is , all the more so if its cold issue related
they do sell a fuse box re locate kit, but its far from cheap for what all it looks like it is IMO
and this whole deal is again on a snow mobile, a cold weather toy, cold temps shouldn;t be something you have to worry about on it !
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Cirrus_Driver
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don't know about the viper, but on the cat version there is NO easy way to get near the fuse box, the hood removal requires tools and is a not the most fun job to do
I would NOT want to try to do it trail side I know that
two torx's screw on each side and then two on the bottom at bumper, way too easy to drop and loose on on the side of a trail IMO
piss poor design of where the fuse box is , all the more so if its cold issue related
they do sell a fuse box re locate kit, but its far from cheap for what all it looks like it is IMO
and this whole deal is again on a snow mobile, a cold weather toy, cold temps shouldn;t be something you have to worry about on it !
Way too much common sense here - you don't fit. Obviously you shouldn't be in snowmobiling because you can't fix this trail side. (sarcasm)
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There are no reports that I have seen that this has happened trailside. Not all models are affected. Only a few. It happens on initial startup. Like back at the hotel. A person has plenty of time to fix it while waiting for your two smoker buddies to fill up their oil tanks.
I wouldn;t agree here, seems more and more like models are having the issue as again it seems to be a time deal, after some time goes by and temps drop, they seem to only act upThere are no reports that I have seen that this has happened trailside. Not all models are affected. Only a few. It happens on initial startup. Like back at the hotel. A person has plenty of time to fix it while waiting for your two smoker buddies to fill up their oil tanks.
what if your out in VERY cold temps, stop to eat and things DON"T fire up??
spend a few hours at a place taking a break and its more than possible for things to get as cold as a cold morning start of!
I ordered the new relays for mine, will add them in off season
cannot hurt to try that , but sucks, as again these are COLD weather toys, the bugs should be worked out before selling them, and or FACTORY fixes should be offered for them
not like these are cheap toys to buy ??
but again, most companys IMO really could care less about AFTER the sale, far too many live by the saying
" A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE"
and they view all customers as replaceable IMO!
sad but true!
unless a lawyer forces them to stand behind there products or fear of law suits, they leave you on your own! and fight you before giving up a penny after a sale!
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Vendor issues. All the mfgs have them. The engineers engineer the toys and then the penny pinchers bid them out. Best example 1995 pols. Bad cranks on many models. Engineered by pol. Built by Fuji. As cheap as possible. I will take bad relays over bad cranks anytime.
I hear you that from design to production things change, but it would still be nice if a OEM stood behind there product they got paid and paid well for, and corrected there mistakeVendor issues. All the mfgs have them. The engineers engineer the toys and then the penny pinchers bid them out. Best example 1995 pols. Bad cranks on many models. Engineered by pol. Built by Fuji. As cheap as possible. I will take bad relays over bad cranks anytime.
years again that was called keeping a good reputation, which at one time was important to companys, as well as being known to have good customer care, which in the end got them loyal and repeat customers
these days they just don't seem to care less after a sale, unless again they HAVE to legally.
a shame, folks in American want to BUY American made things, but sadly, so few company's use parts made in America any more and well, so few American company's have any better track records than many over sea's company's, heck these days, some might even be worse than oversea's company's
as you maybe get your hopes up when buying SO called MADE IN THE USA items, only to fell no different than buying anything else made today any where?
guess I'm just older and recall a different time, than many of the younger generations that are used to this disposable world we live in as to having things made and sold that lasted and company's LIVED off there reputations.
sure is a changed world and IMO not for the better!
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The Germans and Japanese make better cars and motorcycles than any USA company. Been that way for decades. There are many countries with better healthcare systems. There are many countries with better educational systems. The only thing the USA leads the world in is lawyers per capita. And nukes.
Driven by profit and the average consumer that is more concerned with cost before quality, and yes you're right we lead the world in lawyers per capita, I once attended a product liability seminar and an owners manual for a product here is three times as thick as over seas because of the amount of disclaimers that we have to include to "TRY" to avoid lawsuits, there are products that are sold over seas that we will never see here simply because of that. At the time and weather it is true or not it was estimated that there was 1 lawyer for every 10 people in this country. Its pretty sad, we should be building some of the best products we have ever seen but profit outweighs quality and support and unfortunately this is partially consumer driven as well.
The Germans and Japanese make better cars and motorcycles than any USA company. Been that way for decades. There are many countries with better healthcare systems. There are many countries with better educational systems. The only thing the USA leads the world in is lawyers per capita. And nukes.
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Cirrus_Driver
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The Germans and Japanese make better cars and motorcycles than any USA company. Been that way for decades. There are many countries with better healthcare systems. There are many countries with better educational systems. The only thing the USA leads the world in is lawyers per capita. And nukes.
Don't agree with this statement, except the part about lawyers. We still lead the world in free market capitalism, liberty, freedom and many many other things too numerous to list. If the customer doesn't want it, he doesn't have to buy the cheap product - bottom line.
Our experience in 2010! Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m17T1ODvjmU
because you cannot get to them to do so, the whole hood has to come off of sled to get near the fuse box, piss poor location!Why not simply remove the relays, and put them in a warm pocket???????? Or, just blame AC.
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I knew the sport had changed. Not this bad though. However I will adapt. The next time I meet up with some retard that is all mad because he cannot perform a simple procedure to continue on his way I will gladly offer said fool one half the value to take the horrible product off his hands. I come from the day when we changed out pistons and tracks when it was 10 below. Under a yardlight after the bars closed. For the most part the present day so called snowmobiles are a bunch of helpless lightweights. You can be grateful that the guys that invented these things were not of that attitude. They would be scratching their heads wondering what happened to their sport. If a spark plug wire fell off in the middle of nowhere you would exert more energy trying to figure who to blame than fixing the problem.
I come from the day when we changed out pistons and tracks when it was 10 below. Under a yardlight after the bars closed. For the most part the present day so called snowmobiles are a bunch of helpless lightweights. You can be grateful that the guys that invented these things were not of that attitude. They would be scratching their heads wondering what happened to their sport. If a spark plug wire fell off in the middle of nowhere you would exert more energy trying to figure who to blame than fixing the problem.
So...............I should tell my wife and 14 year old they are retards and can't ride if they can't change out a piston under a yard light? We need everyone we can get in this sport or we'll all be wondering what happened to it.
Don't agree with this statement, except the part about lawyers. We still lead the world in free market capitalism, liberty, freedom and many many other things too numerous to list. If the customer doesn't want it, he doesn't have to buy the cheap product - bottom line.
you think we still have free market capitalism lol
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So...............I should tell my wife and 14 year old they are retards and can't ride if they can't change out a piston under a yard light? We need everyone we can get in this sport or we'll all be wondering what happened to it.
it is already gone in your kids lifetime
because you cannot get to them to do so, the whole hood has to come off of sled to get near the fuse box, piss poor location!
So it is AC's fault??? Shoehorned after thought??? Perhaps you find the fix, and sell it!!! Grub, I'm surprised we didn't meet up somewhere in the early 70's. Cross Country racing?????? Talk about rough, and rugged. We got kicked out of a motel in Rice Lake, Wi. one night for putting in new pistons, and cleaning up a cylinder. But man we had some fun!!!!!!!!!!!
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you think we still have free market capitalism lol
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You've spent too much time in MN my friend. You're infected.
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Cirrus_Driver
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I knew the sport had changed. Not this bad though. However I will adapt. The next time I meet up with some retard that is all mad because he cannot perform a simple procedure to continue on his way I will gladly offer said fool one half the value to take the horrible product off his hands. I come from the day when we changed out pistons and tracks when it was 10 below.
What you don't understand is, you're a RELIC of an old fossil. I'd say less than 5% of the sledding population would consider doing anything like change pistons today - even in a garage. That hardly qualifies most of us as being "retards".
You've brainwashed yourself due to past experience, thinking this is acceptable quality to tolerate a sled that won't start because of a cheap relay and bad design. Jam it up the dealers azz and make them fix it.