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It is your lucky day. I will sell you my '18 anniversary LE Winder with 2 years of warranty left . I am going over to the dark side.
2021 Yamahas
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It is your lucky day. I will sell you my '18 anniversary LE Winder with 2 years of warranty left . I am going over to the dark side.
Excellent idea!
I wouldn't want one....I certainly don't miss carrying extra belts or rebuilding my vmax crank 3 times a season....or waiting for parts for months....the only reliable yamadog were the older ones like phasers and such....not to mention it took 15 years for them to give consumers shock absorbers instead of pogo sticks.....LMAO
snobuilder
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So if you own one, why all the negative Yamaha comments over the years?
Including today with the 20 ? marks.
Maybe your level of humor is even better than I know.
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Yes you would....it's 92% of the speed of light....figured you of all ppl would understand that.
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Super sleds, problem like with all sleds is the 17k Sidewinder will be 12.5k in February.
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Lol. Anybody that buys a snowmobile as an investment is just crazy.
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Yup I own one. I even waited until the second year of production. Still didn't do enough research.
The engine itself will last for 20000 miles. Just like any other Yami. The rest of the sled not so much. First thing I did was take off the stock skis and put on AC skis. There is not even ten feet of wear on the stickers. Did not like the AC skis either even after trying many combinations of carbides. After much research went with Mohawks with most aggressive carbide they offer. I don't run studs and they are just right. If I had any studs they would also push. Added BOP belt guard so when belt blew it would not take out belly pan. This is important because if you do take out the belly pan you are done for the year because there are no replacement parts on this continent. This also goes for chaincase parts. The chaincase is a flawed design that is prone to failure. There are pages and pages on Totallyamaha about this. It was flawed in 17 and nothing has ever been addressed. For 2021 it is the same.
The drive axle design is also flawed. The bearing next to the brake rotor turns with the driveshaft and wears out prematurely. Also a known issue dating back to 2017. Nothing has ever been done to address it. Also many pages of attention on Totallyamaha.
Stockers and tuned up sleds share these common and known issues. I have never tuned my sled. It is bone stock. There is 3500 miles on it and I would not dare to ride it alone for 10 miles. It is a time bomb.
As far as 200 horse it is a pooch. In stock form it is not that quick or that fast. I have always had big horses. It is not that much faster than a Pol 850. It is not any quicker up to 100. Whoever gets the better launch wins. It is however 175 lbs heavier than a Pol 850.
To those of you who say it doesn't feel that much heavier when you are riding it you are idiots. It is a top heavy front heavy slug that will wear you out if you try to keep up with a lighter sled in the Twisties. I have ridden it for 3500 miles. I know this to be true. No amount of suspension tuning or rider ability or expensive shock absorbers can make up for 175 lbs. Physics always wins.
Yamaha or rather AC builds big heavy expensive junk. I have been on Yamis since the 2003 RX ton. Which by the way was faster on absolute top end than a stock Sidewinder. But I have had enough. Good luck to anyone buying a Sidewinder. You will need it.
The engine itself will last for 20000 miles. Just like any other Yami. The rest of the sled not so much. First thing I did was take off the stock skis and put on AC skis. There is not even ten feet of wear on the stickers. Did not like the AC skis either even after trying many combinations of carbides. After much research went with Mohawks with most aggressive carbide they offer. I don't run studs and they are just right. If I had any studs they would also push. Added BOP belt guard so when belt blew it would not take out belly pan. This is important because if you do take out the belly pan you are done for the year because there are no replacement parts on this continent. This also goes for chaincase parts. The chaincase is a flawed design that is prone to failure. There are pages and pages on Totallyamaha about this. It was flawed in 17 and nothing has ever been addressed. For 2021 it is the same.
The drive axle design is also flawed. The bearing next to the brake rotor turns with the driveshaft and wears out prematurely. Also a known issue dating back to 2017. Nothing has ever been done to address it. Also many pages of attention on Totallyamaha.
Stockers and tuned up sleds share these common and known issues. I have never tuned my sled. It is bone stock. There is 3500 miles on it and I would not dare to ride it alone for 10 miles. It is a time bomb.
As far as 200 horse it is a pooch. In stock form it is not that quick or that fast. I have always had big horses. It is not that much faster than a Pol 850. It is not any quicker up to 100. Whoever gets the better launch wins. It is however 175 lbs heavier than a Pol 850.
To those of you who say it doesn't feel that much heavier when you are riding it you are idiots. It is a top heavy front heavy slug that will wear you out if you try to keep up with a lighter sled in the Twisties. I have ridden it for 3500 miles. I know this to be true. No amount of suspension tuning or rider ability or expensive shock absorbers can make up for 175 lbs. Physics always wins.
Yamaha or rather AC builds big heavy expensive junk. I have been on Yamis since the 2003 RX ton. Which by the way was faster on absolute top end than a stock Sidewinder. But I have had enough. Good luck to anyone buying a Sidewinder. You will need it.
snobuilder
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LMAO....Grub.... the anti-Yamaha guy can't stop buying them!
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Onward to A Vr1 650 129. Perhaps someday I will meet Snobuilder out on the trail on the last Pol haybailer in existence. And we will smoke dope together and talk about Foxcon.
snobuilder
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That sled report will be worth a listen.
GRUB....if you just put the AC skis back on....lengthen the limiter strap till track is flat and run dual side by side 4 inch carbide with no studs....you won't regret it and it won't push at any speed
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duallys are prone to push.
Shapers are aggressive if you need front end single keel bite.
Shapers are aggressive if you need front end single keel bite.
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I do not have the XF skis like you recommended. Just the regular AC skis. Also I am running the limiters all the way loose already. It doesn't matter. It is too heavy. The gas tank is too small. Range is 100 miles. It is a cold ride. But most of all it is very disappointing for 200 supposed horses. It really isn't that strong.
That statement tells me you have not tried 4 in dual side by side WITH the limiter lengthened...the shorter the carbide the lesser the push and more bite...longer pushes
If you have a wear bar the entire length of the ski it would not turn at all....think about it
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Then tighten the shocks up.front to bring the skis inboard and more bite...and sled front end up....lower is less bite and more flap
Why are you so worried about keeping up with someone in the twisties?
Go down to section 2.2 off road mobility....the VCI number needs to be 0....flat on snow as you can get the track turns sharper with no push...raising front end and bringing skis inboard put the VCI number lower...a sled has low ground pressure
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/afs/2017/3982753/
Plus modern tracked tanks are not slow any more...they can do 70 mph
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/afs/2017/3982753/
Plus modern tracked tanks are not slow any more...they can do 70 mph
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I tried everything you recommended tracker. The biggest thing is that I did NOT have the XF skis which have a different profile than the regular AC skis. So they are not going to behave the same. The Mohawks I bought by are more like the AC mountain skis. The Mohawks are heads and shoulders better than the regular width AC skis. Just the width alone helps a lot to keep the front end up on top of the snow on any ungroomed surface like a lake for example. Also a dual runner carbide like Snobuilder describes is not the same as 2 separated carbides of the style that AC or Doo uses on their skis. It is a whole different program. A Pol ski is a whole different program again. I have a whole bunch of everybody's skis to look at. Everybody has a different idea. When it all comes down to it less people complain about their Pols turning ability. Pol owners complain about other things but seldom about turning. So that is something.
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The only place a Sidewinder is useful is on a long straight like a lake. It is useless as a ditch banger. It flies and lands like a brick even with the expensive shocks like I have on mine. It will wear you out. If you try to ride it hard through a tight trail it will again wear you out after a short time. And if you are ever unfortunate enough to get it stuck you will most certainly need assistance to get it out. It all goes back to weight. It is too heavy. And that is also the core reason it is not dependable. It eats itself. The entire driveline is subject to more stress just because it is carrying around 200 plus more lbs of weight all the time.
Yeah, well, I sure would like to get to listen in on that conversation!
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I can think of a dozen other sleds I'd rather own, ride, and enjoy!