I would charge nothing, every sled can be improved on easily enough. I learned this from John and he states " if I had a wish list it would be for correct torsion springs and the trac link limiter strap on every sled." Thats what John did on dfattacks new Mach. Changing preload on shock springs is free. There are couple of other things one can do as well just depends on ones budget.
I think most on this site get it and can do it themselves to their liking.
I would agree. Most know how to do all these adjustments themselves. I wish I could and honestly I am literally a part of John doing his setup in the shop. He has me on the sleds the whole time bouncing up and down to reset shocks and am learning a lot but I don't have the confidence yet. honestly don't have the time to learn on my own. Work has me busier than ever and when I head up north to ride and want to be ready and enjoy with the little time I have. It's convenient for me to bring my sleds to him since I'm in his neighborhood all the time. Usually I will bring the sleds to him early October which is the Canadian thanksgiving. Win Win
Yep totally agree and in case you didn't notice I was exchanging notes with dfattack...so good luck and happy trails!
Exactly. the spring kits are another good change.
Absolutely, but that's more coin.
I think this thread went off the rails on the first page and 6 weeks later not much interest. I agree sorry for my part as well.
Remember this is a public forum and exchange of information and knowledge is a good thing for everyone especially with suspension setup. I’m always open to learning what I can and share the knowledge I have as well. There is a PM feature here so you can have private conversations if you desire or invite others to join or keep it private just incase your didn’t know. I’m always looking for help to set up sleds but to be honest I haven’t found anyone in the Chicago and WI area that does set ups with focus on doo air ride currently. I understand all this stuff springs , compression and rebound been fooling around with all of it since the 90s and was able to set up the mono EV Ohlins to ride smooth as butter and that was a learning curve from traditional 2 shock suspensions. As I said before I pride myself on optimizing stock shocks maybe a bit of a mod in rebuilds but that’s the extent of change from stock for me. My thinking is smart shocks are the future of snowmobiling and investment will be made in electronics and will get better and better while mechanical suspensions are limited to mechanical design and I don’t think many OEMs will continue in the mechanical only designs.
Yeah, well, perhaps? However, with mechanical only designs there is less to fail on the trail? Out on a big mile, many days trip I like the "kiss" method. Jmo, and I've enjoyed all the discussions an d info presented here!
I don’t think suspensions will transition to electronic in a blink of an eye more like 10 years. Mechanical will also be available on the less expensive models. But what can be easier than pushing a mode button and riding? That’s kiss riding no messing with mechanical adjustments. Look at the auto industry for how electronics have taken over ice and suspensions.
On the flip side, look at the cost that is added with the technology. Sometimes, the simpler the better & sometimes less is more. Just my .02 & I too apologize for this thread being knocked to the side.
Exactly and I wouldn’t hesitate to pay for smart shocks. Hp is available no matter how much you want via electronics I’m now more concerned with a sweet bump capable ride the best I can get when trails get whooped.
I totally agree mezz! I've seen what has happened with the "electronic", and high tech shocked skids of the past years. Costly, frequent trade up, or rebuild is a must in order to stay dialed in where you want to be. Can Smart Shocks get across this hurdle? Time only will tell, hopefully Smart Shocks will.
Well it's new. all the bugs will eventually be worked out. The one major bug with smart shocks is how they ran the wiring. Frequent pounding has caused some wiring to get rubbed down to bare wire causing shorts. This happened to me and many others. Shocks go into default mode which is the stiffest setting, which is tight. In my opinion this is where Yamaha would have had that right from Day one.
Not so sure on the Yamaha getting it right from day one. Yamaha's rear skid suspension ride history doesn't agree with that. My best riding bud always was loyal Yamaha, finally gave it up 2011 for the poor ride. I fully agree on shock rebuilding.
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. I’m not saying yamaha would have had a great designed skid, but that whatever they did have would have been done correctly such as fit and finish and would have had the wiring issues worked out before sending units into production. Quality control would have been better from day one. Not that their rear suspension would have been a better design. That’s my thoughts at least.
You got cheerleaders to your reply... that is sad. I bought the Polaris because I am a SNOWMOBLER...not an insecure doo owner who needs to be coddled by a group of sheep to be OK with what I ride.