7000 Cat
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snobuilder
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Plenty of models like the 7000 with the same basic Yamaha 1050cc 4 stroke....Nytro, Vector, Venture, SR Vipercat....
I went back and forth all season with the AXYS and Nytro.
while I never did a straight up drag race....the 800 would probly win to 90 mph but not by all that much.
The biggest diff ths how smooth the Yamaha power is delivered.
I still like that about my 4 strokes over the vibrations of the 800 2 strokes.
800 will top end the 1050 by about 7-10 mph
I went back and forth all season with the AXYS and Nytro.
while I never did a straight up drag race....the 800 would probly win to 90 mph but not by all that much.
The biggest diff ths how smooth the Yamaha power is delivered.
I still like that about my 4 strokes over the vibrations of the 800 2 strokes.
800 will top end the 1050 by about 7-10 mph
My buddy just purchased a Viper this year and I rode with him several times. Here is what I notice, the Viper is very smooth and good torque. I ride a 800 etec and my son rides a 600etec, when we raced the Viper and 600 etec were dead even most of the time, I would pull away on the top end. All of the sleds were pretty much dead even until about 50mph then we started to separate. 99% of most people could ride a 125 hp sled with no issue and that's all you really need IMO.
momoney2123
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The vipers/7000's will not run even close to a decent running 800 from bottom to top,in my opinion. There is a reason vipers run in the 600cc class at radar runs and drag races. last radar run i was at my buddys 600 won it with 81.8 MPH and the vipers were in the mid to high 70's. 800's were in the upper 80's. I actually won with 88.9 mph. my buddy has consitantly beat them on the lake side by side as well with a 600 RS. which makes around 130hp.
I will add its probably not that noticable by the seat of your pants bone stock for bone stock uner 60, when you get over 60 and hit the throttle. the 800s still pull, where as the 4 stroke is about done. its similiar to a 1200 doo. apex and cat turbo are the only 4s that have long legs in stock form.
I will add its probably not that noticable by the seat of your pants bone stock for bone stock uner 60, when you get over 60 and hit the throttle. the 800s still pull, where as the 4 stroke is about done. its similiar to a 1200 doo. apex and cat turbo are the only 4s that have long legs in stock form.
I went from an 800 cat to a 7000 cross country. The 7000 is still pretty quick 0
to 60 but the 800 was quick to 80. These are two totally different sleds the cross country is a 141 and the 800 was a picked short track. I know a guy with a ZR 7000 that he clutched and is very pleased with the performance. Like the previous reply said if you want serious power out of a 4 stroke go with a turbo.
to 60 but the 800 was quick to 80. These are two totally different sleds the cross country is a 141 and the 800 was a picked short track. I know a guy with a ZR 7000 that he clutched and is very pleased with the performance. Like the previous reply said if you want serious power out of a 4 stroke go with a turbo.
snobuilder
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The 1050 flattens out on top but 60 is a blink. my Nytro runs with the apex and 800's to 85. my carbed 973 vector was a little quicker yet.
after a year a goin back to a 2 smoke in the 800HO this year, you learn that it comes right down to trade-offs.
With the proper front shocks, I'd love to have the the Yamaha triple in the AXYS chassis simply for the smooth pull, longevity, reliability, and not bein tempermental about fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRjmtYlsTs
after a year a goin back to a 2 smoke in the 800HO this year, you learn that it comes right down to trade-offs.
With the proper front shocks, I'd love to have the the Yamaha triple in the AXYS chassis simply for the smooth pull, longevity, reliability, and not bein tempermental about fuel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRjmtYlsTs
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What exactly is that supposed to mean gring?
MOmoney...good grief...do you work for ski-doo's PR department?? Here...this is from the 2015 AM snowshoot....do any of you see a 600 Ski-doo faster than a VIPER??? BTW....The LTX was 2-3 MPH faster than the standard Viper on top...with-in 3-4 mph of the 800's... also am snow had the Viper 126 HP....two HP more than the other 600 two strokes.
Hey grub lol.. its a inside joke. Baughcat and i are not only great friends we also ride the identical sled.
snobuilder
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Thanks, Attack man.....I knew that info was out there....just didn't know if i wanted to spend the time on the yellow color blinded.
We've been through this before. MoDoo doesn't think those tests are legit
momoney2123
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Unfortunately thats not the results in REAL sanctioned races. Which clearly you guys have ZERO expierence around.
When you put a 4 stroke and a 2 stroke in the hands of johnny gas and go that has no tuning abilities, the 4 stroke will always be a better option. As it is a much more conisistant runner in a variety of conditions and temperatures, whether its ambient or engine. Drag racing has so many variables. Its frustrating reading the blanket statements like a nytro runs with a 800 until so and so mph. Right....a properly running 800 embaresses a nytro or viper. **** i handed it to a super charged nytro this year for a lofty wager. Twice. Thats the price of tuition. But he thought since he beat his buddies etec by a wide margin, i was just another chump.
A perfect example is lining up a bone stock etec vs say a bone stock apex. Usually the apex will win. When you get both tuned in to their best clutch and gearing set-ups for that day, the 800 will win 9 out 10 times. No matter the brand. 4 stokes torque allow for a much easier and broader tuning window and rarely need changes on a day to day basis.
PS. A 600 RS dynos anywhere from 127-132 hp. Its not a Etec. Its a the high output race engine, but im sure u guys knew that.
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I don't think the OP was asking 7000 4s vs 800 2s tricked out but none the less you are comparing 130ish 4s hp to 160ish 2s hp with 2 differing power bands. The 4s will always have a broad power band & the 800 2s will be peaky in comparison both stockers. Imo if used to 800 2s power the 130ish hp 4s will be lacking in overall power. The 4s will be smooth as butter but big jugs of 800 will vibrate down low just the nature of the beasts. To me the amazing torque of 130 4s is the only reason to even think about comparing the 2 engines powerwise.
snobuilder
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does anyone know which sanctioning body has the Yamaha 1050 running in the same class as the 800 2 smokers?
snobuilder
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at 96.15 mph and 12.849 seconds the viper was 112' ahead of the 600 etec...not bad for a heavy POS.....I love math...
At 12.378 seconds the 800 etec was 66' ahead of the viper...LOL....maybe it could run in the 800 2 smoke class
At 12.378 seconds the 800 etec was 66' ahead of the viper...LOL....maybe it could run in the 800 2 smoke class
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momoney momoney momoney!!!!! I gotta call you out on your last statement. I'll give you that you tune your sled and probably tune it well, I have never thought you have lied to win an argument. If we talk apples to apples here and the number are correct, than we have a base line to go off of. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say most people run their sleds bone stock, some tune poorly and actually loose performance and then there are those like yourself that are educated and tune in a way that is strong performance. In 03 me and my buddy both bought RX1's. He bought a clutch kit and lost the hole shot every time and I smoked him. My other buddy on a 03 rev 600HO smoked him also till 75 mph that the big 4 hole would walk away.
I understand ambient temp will affect the 2s more but on an average temp winter day apples to apples is what we are talking about. If you will not concede to out of the box comps than no need to continue this discussion.
90% of trail rider will be bone stock so we have to use the bone stock as the base line. Was the data provided in the chart bogus because it was above average temps? Maybe that day the temps were fine?
I understand ambient temp will affect the 2s more but on an average temp winter day apples to apples is what we are talking about. If you will not concede to out of the box comps than no need to continue this discussion.
90% of trail rider will be bone stock so we have to use the bone stock as the base line. Was the data provided in the chart bogus because it was above average temps? Maybe that day the temps were fine?
is this why there are so many doos at sanctioned ice/snow/grass drags through out the yr lmfao
if the 800 is faster in the hand of tuners why are 9 out of 10 drag sleds cat tubos now days
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at 96.15 mph and 12.849 seconds the viper was 112' ahead of the 600 etec...not bad for a heavy POS.....I love math...
At 12.378 seconds the 800 etec was 66' ahead of the viper...LOL....maybe it could run in the 800 2 smoke class
must be a tail wind that day
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