Arctic Cat layoffs etc.

indy_500

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may be true for some Darren but I will never understand all the negativity towards Cat, and not just because I am a Cat guy. The fact of the matter is the entire industry is hurting, in fact the whole powersports industry is and for all we know some may be worse than we know. Cat has been very open so far with their doings and I agree with some of their decisions, if any more had come forward with the same I wouldn't think any different but for some reason Cat is aways the target and it is always doom and gloom from the instant Textron took over, if I could rewind, the writing was on the wall already according to some many years ago, and here we are today with the introduction of some real innovation although others dont see it, it is. I hope they are here to stay and I will finish by saying that all the doom and gloom and negativity just gets tiring after a while especially when the others are in a similar predicament and dealing with it in other ways but no big news about that.
I guess the negativity towards cat from most sledders seems pretty simple to me… they have been shooting themselves in the foot for nearly 15 years by not giving customers what they want. That’s it. That’s why there is negativity. It doesn’t make sense to most sledders why they refused to bring anything new to the table for so long. That’s all.
 

mezz

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I guess the negativity towards cat from most sledders seems pretty simple to me… they have been shooting themselves in the foot for nearly 15 years by not giving customers what they want. That’s it. That’s why there is negativity. It doesn’t make sense to most sledders why they refused to bring anything new to the table for so long. That’s all.
My only thought is, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
 

heckler56

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I cant understand that dark blue they used on some Catalysts... IMO that was ugly as far as obnoxious colors just look at some of the shoes people wear LOL
I get those ugly shoes at a discount! Do I like the color choices, nope, but I am frugal 😁 and could care less how I look. In fact my snowmobile apparel was all deeply discounted and a collage of Ski Doo, Yamaha, Arctic Cat and Polaris….
 

indy_500

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My only thought is, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
Don’t disagree, but that doesn’t sell new sleds every year, and not selling new sleds is precisely why cat is in the toughest situation of the 3 brands (all 3 are definitely hurting though)
 

katden4

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All brands right now including all powersports. Boats, campers, motorcycles, etc. are struggling. The difference is that Cat has a different business model, rob every corner they can. And they are right on target.

My honest opinion on why Cat seems controversial, is they were not out to bring new shiny product just to bring it out. They kept refining machines that worked over and over again. Did the market want that, hell no they needed shiny new things. The race dept proved that, they dominated all disciplines for many years, and had the most racers representing the brand. Textron destroyed all of that in 6 years. Its sad for me to watch this, its been a part of my life from all the way back to the 70s. Many of my riding buds have moved on to other brands, and I don't blame them. I seem like the fool riding a 2019 waiting for them to get their shit together. Now I just hope they sell.
 

gary_in_neenah

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It's the current business model for most corporations. Squeeze every nickel out of it and move on. Personally, I don't feel the gloom and doom that others have mentioned. Here's my reasoning; Cat still is an innovator, the Catalyist shows they're still developing. By comparison, Yamaha coasted for years with the same old, eventually teamed up with AC for a few years and then pulled the plug entirely. Gone! I don't think Cat is there yet. Let's see what the new owner(s) have in mind.

And you know what they say, there's still a lot of Arctic Cats out there on the trails....and some have made it back home!;)

 

wiscrev

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I just saw a couple of blogs on FB from Cat racing teams. Both stated they were supplied and ready to rock and roll this racing season. They were very upbeat. Sounded like good vibes. Herfandahl [sp?] and can't remember the other team off hand.
 

heckler56

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It's the current business model for most corporations. Squeeze every nickel out of it and move on. Personally, I don't feel the gloom and doom that others have mentioned. Here's my reasoning; Cat still is an innovator, the Catalyist shows they're still developing. By comparison, Yamaha coasted for years with the same old, eventually teamed up with AC for a few years and then pulled the plug entirely. Gone! I don't think Cat is there yet. Let see what the new owner(s) have in mind.

And you know what they say, there's still a lot of Arctic Cats out there on the trails....and some have made it back home!;)

Nothing burns like a Cat 😁 . To be fair, I am in the blue jacket and look slumped over. I rolled my sled earlier and the left handlebar was bent down.
 

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Hoosier

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The bulk of the business has to be the dirt side for success these days. I'm not up on that but have heard textron has fallen way behind.

On the sled side I think pre-textron cat made the mistake of doing incremental improvements instead of a new chassis. An 18 procross is a lot different than a 12 procross. They could have made some cosmetic changes to get people excited (matrix/axis for example or more like doo did it). Before you all jump on that - that's my opinion. Even earlier than that, rolling out the heavy old man cruiser barney chassis to replace the firecat was odd.

But textron really stopped all development. The catalyst seems like a good effort and I'd like to get one but it's well known that chassis was well on its way in development and stalled by textron. They'd be sitting a lot different if that came out in 2021 or so. And they dropped the new engine/chassis into the worst market in years. There's a whole year of sleds with little to no use sitting out there, many in crates with big rebates on them.

A non-existent winter is only part of the issue though, as can be seen with the inventories piling up in dirt and boats.
 

elf

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Its a bit ironic if you think of Textron's history in the powersports market. Bought Polaris way back in the late 60's, ran it into the ground and was looking to sell it when times got tough in the early 80's. Polaris management bought it from Textron, took it private at first and then public later, and turned it into the company it is today. Hopefully AC can follow the same model/path and come out successful in the long run. Then Textron will have to move onto BRP and try again:):)
 

pclark

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Never owned a Cat, but obviously a formidable brand. As mentioned, let’s hope someone buys the brand that loves snowmobiling. We all know that’s not Textron…..
 

old abe

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How I see it just because someone like me who might not want to buy a Cat doesn't mean they want cat to go away. I want them around for competition. They make my brand of choice better simply by being there and innovating which keeps other manufacturers on their toes. I know that's been said before many times but seems like you think non-cat buyers want them to go away. That's the furthest from the truth as far as I'm concerned. Who knows maybe they come on strong and maybe I will take a look at them one day. Honestly didn't think I would be on a doo after being on Yamaha my whole life. Yamaha practically pushed me out the door then called it quits and honestly I'm very satisfied with what I have so all good.
I couldn't agree with you more dfattack! But to each his own! I don't see that kind of dislike, discontent, or even hatred for AC? I'm not a AC fanatic as I've only owned three. However many of my closest riding friends over the years are, were. In my entire snowmobiling life, I have had nothing but the absolute utmost admiration, and total respect for all of the very many designs, and developments brought forth, and into the market by AC. Mostly through their racing programs. Mainly their Cross Country, and Snocross racing. Roger Skime is the man, a huge hero in my eyes, and has been for almost 60 years. If he once met you, whether in racing, or just riding, he never forgot you. When he departed, in my mind it left a huge hole in the structure of AC. That hole is still unfilled today. Good luck to AC, and as always euphoric! I'm hoping on the Argo deal.
 

old abe

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may be true for some Darren but I will never understand all the negativity towards Cat, and not just because I am a Cat guy. The fact of the matter is the entire industry is hurting, in fact the whole powersports industry is and for all we know some may be worse than we know. Cat has been very open so far with their doings and I agree with some of their decisions, if any more had come forward with the same I wouldn't think any different but for some reason Cat is aways the target and it is always doom and gloom from the instant Textron took over, if I could rewind, the writing was on the wall already according to some many years ago, and here we are today with the introduction of some real innovation although others dont see it, it is. I hope they are here to stay and I will finish by saying that all the doom and gloom and negativity just gets tiring after a while especially when the others are in a similar predicament and dealing with it in other ways but no big news about that.
Yeah, well euphoric, I was fooled, rused, stooged into the wishful thinking that Textron was going to be the real deal, in getting AC back to being the force they could be. I'm greatly disappointed, and I should have know better by the Textron/Polaris disasterous ownership tennure.
 

old abe

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Its a bit ironic if you think of Textron's history in the powersports market. Bought Polaris way back in the late 60's, ran it into the ground and was looking to sell it when times got tough in the early 80's. Polaris management bought it from Textron, took it private at first and then public later, and turned it into the company it is today. Hopefully AC can follow the same model/path and come out successful in the long run. Then Textron will have to move onto BRP and try again:):)
Perhaps bad management is as history, and repeats itself? o_O
 

old abe

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I guess the negativity towards cat from most sledders seems pretty simple to me… they have been shooting themselves in the foot for nearly 15 years by not giving customers what they want. That’s it. That’s why there is negativity. It doesn’t make sense to most sledders why they refused to bring anything new to the table for so long. That’s all.
Yeah indy, just like Yamaha, old milk sours.
 
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