Oh Jeezus, score one fer Ez! (Look whacha made me do, says Frank, now pouring coffee outa his keyboard!)
I just had to chime in too Frank,...This is better than TV! I need more popcorn!
Ban the Can
- Thread starter berglandbaybar
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I just had to chime in too Frank,...This is better than TV! I need more popcorn!
Game on....Sounds like a plan
snobuilder
Well-known member
no "ban the Can " bumper sticker for you.
Hmm, I want a couple of these bumper stickers for the groomers!!
ok may not be the place to ask but
I used a the sled shed cooker can this yr loved the fast hot cooking. I can cook raw marinated chicken in this thing in less than 30 min.not really loud until wfo
but I am getting some low end burble. any one use the diamond s titanium can? any low end bog? how loud in the mid range.
oh on a 14m8
I used a the sled shed cooker can this yr loved the fast hot cooking. I can cook raw marinated chicken in this thing in less than 30 min.not really loud until wfo
but I am getting some low end burble. any one use the diamond s titanium can? any low end bog? how loud in the mid range.
oh on a 14m8
snobuilder
Well-known member
I might agree to stick one on something myself with a little rewording like "Ban the LOUD Can" ...or "Ban the LOD BRAAAAAPERS"....or....
"Turn in a LOUD BRAAAAAPPER"
....."dial 1-800-FISHCOP"
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lenny
Guest
ok may not be the place to ask but
I used a the sled shed cooker can this yr loved the fast hot cooking. I can cook raw marinated chicken in this thing in less than 30 min.not really loud until wfo
but I am getting some low end burble. any one use the diamond s titanium can? any low end bog? how loud in the mid range.
oh on a 14m8
Have you tried some red and green peppers? I hear that takes to low end burble away.
berglandbaybar
New member
I said earlier I wouldn't post again on this subject, but anyone that knows me, knows I can't stay quiet for long. I jumped the gun with the "Ban the Can" comment. It was short and catchy, if I said "If your sled is Loud you're not allowed" would that have been better? It is the noise that is the problem, not the can. And the way people drive their sleds. I talked to the DNR about trail 2 in Ironwood closing. The CO told me it is true and many issues led up to him closing the trail. The noise this year was the straw that broke the camels back. This is an issue that is going to lead to more problems if we don't do something about it. For those of you that said I will lose business, thanks for your concern but I would rather lose a few customers than lose more trails.
Two wrongs don't make a right for all of you with the Harley comments. Sorry but that one is a different fight and not my concern right now. But seriously Harleys are on public roads and there are a lot more police patrolling roads than COs in the UP patrolling trails or towns. Call the police instead of bashing a business owner who is only trying to keep more trails from being closed.
Two wrongs don't make a right for all of you with the Harley comments. Sorry but that one is a different fight and not my concern right now. But seriously Harleys are on public roads and there are a lot more police patrolling roads than COs in the UP patrolling trails or towns. Call the police instead of bashing a business owner who is only trying to keep more trails from being closed.
uncle_ed
Active member
Another good reason we should police ourselves in this matter is we are still trying to grow our trail system in some areas and need a positive spotlight on snowmobilers.
There has been talk for the last few years of a connector from the Hart-Montague trail up to the Baldwin trail system. I read articles in the MSA about it and talked to people at the snow show that the new trail was in the works and will happen soon. It has not! I dont know what the hold up is but we still do not have that connector.
It would be nice when proposing a new trail that the list of pros and cons was loaded more with pros and I think keeping noise down would help in the fight for more trails to ride.
Shoot just getting the trail reroute for the lost section will be tough enough without taking a good look at problems we cause first....
There has been talk for the last few years of a connector from the Hart-Montague trail up to the Baldwin trail system. I read articles in the MSA about it and talked to people at the snow show that the new trail was in the works and will happen soon. It has not! I dont know what the hold up is but we still do not have that connector.
It would be nice when proposing a new trail that the list of pros and cons was loaded more with pros and I think keeping noise down would help in the fight for more trails to ride.
Shoot just getting the trail reroute for the lost section will be tough enough without taking a good look at problems we cause first....
groomerdriver
New member
OK...I admit all I've seen is the trailers for the SoA series. How's about the ****'s Angels?
How many cans of woop *** now....99% keyboard heroes?
Same amount.....is the prediction.
why are u cut and past posting in both threads?
really think guys are only reading 1 ? I my self am real close to over them both.
think it has been settled off trail stand up riders are all spawn of satin and running it all for the Yamaha crowd
if 2 is not open to Berglund next yr I will be shocked to chit.
really think guys are only reading 1 ? I my self am real close to over them both.
think it has been settled off trail stand up riders are all spawn of satin and running it all for the Yamaha crowd
if 2 is not open to Berglund next yr I will be shocked to chit.
why are u cut and past posting in both threads?
really think guys are only reading 1 ? I my self am real close to over them both.
think it has been settled off trail stand up riders are all spawn of satin and running it all for the Yamaha crowd
if 2 is not open to Berglund next yr I will be shocked to chit.
Everything in the above quote is spot on. This horse is dead. Oh and still I can't find a single post about where this supposed closure is actually is.
wisyooper1
Member
I've been a Harley owner for 15 years....and I've never heard of a "hacked" Harley. I have heard of people removing baffles from their stock exhaust - maybe that is what you mean by hacked....Anyway, the national parks in and around Sturgis SD haven't banned aftermarket exhaust pipes. To do so would ruin the economic livelihood of a lot of people.....Not sure about Yellowstone tho.
And to the question about why Harley owners rev the throttle when at an intersection, well, you are right, maybe they are trying to keep it running.....or maybe to keep the oil pressure up. But my guess is that it just sounds and feels really cool (to the rider anyway)......bottom line.
wisyooper1
Member
Service denial is one way to get your point across - and I am not commenting on your desire to keep trails open and your method of getting your point across. But......I'm not sure of the legality of denying service to someone because they have "loud" sled. My guess is that you would have a hard time with a complaint filed against you under the State or Federal Civil Rights Act. Even if you can show that someone is not following the rules, the law does not recognize you as someone qualified to determine if a rule was broken. Then it comes down to your belief that loud snowmobiles infringe on your individual liberty. Based on my research, for the most part, courts have decided that the constitutional interest in providing equal access to services outweighs the individual liberties involved.
This is gonna sound soft, but maybe we are better off getting uncomfortable, approaching those with loud sleds and educating them on the ramifications of their actions. Denial of service will just pi$$ them off - having a talk with them, as they spend money in your establishment, might work better.....just my opinion.
mezz
Well-known member
In all reality, I don't know why the issue of Harley exhausts got brought into this thread. The only thing similar between the sled exhaust & bike exhaust issue is the obnoxious loud noise. The bigger picture here is the fact that snowmobile trails are, can & will be closed due to this issue. The roads are not subject to this issue, as such, not an apples to apples comparison to the issue at hand. As I am sure you are aware, snowmobiles do bring people here which is good for tourism, however, if we have limited connecting trails being closed, limits the dollars that can be spent here. Which is the lesser of 2 evils, lose the trouble, or lose the business because of the trouble? Pizz off the communities that these snowmobilers visit, they turn against businesses within that community with sleds in the lot. I don't believe that the initial poster was saying to "ban" the "customer" with the obnoxiously loud exhaust, but, ban the device that is a part of the problem, as such "Ban the Can". There are laws on the books for this already & it needs to be upheld, this is how the offenders are going to wake up, hit them in the pocket book by ticketing them. BTW, I think the business owner has the right to serve or not to serve anybody he likes, no shirt, no shoes, no service.-Mezz
sweeperguy
Active member
Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason they see fit. Whether its no shirt, no shoes, no service or loud cans. Its the owners right to have their own rules of service, so long as they are not related to sex, race, or religion.
groomerdriver
New member
why are u cut and past posting in both threads?
really think guys are only reading 1 ? I my self am real close to over them both.
think it has been settled off trail stand up riders are all spawn of satin and running it all for the Yamaha crowd
if 2 is not open to Berglund next yr I will be shocked to chit.
Because I can.....get it.....can?
2 doesn't go even close to Bergland but I'm sure you'll post that you know this.
snobuilder
Well-known member
Harley noise keeps being brought up only to point out the double standard that alot of posters have when it comes to noise.
Calling for incredably harsh penalties for them who have ANY sort of altered sled exhaust all the while knowing they got some
obnoxiously loud Harley sitting around just waiting for warmer temps to unleash there crapcycle loudfart echo throughout the world.
Hiding behind the scenario that you can't shut down a public roadway due your loud Harleys could backfire as well....
Plenty a do-gooders out there that'd like nothing more than to keep all motorists out of there "quiet places"....like National Forests
and pointing out YOUR Harleys ALTERED EXHAUST couldn't hurt their cause.
.....NAW....that could NEVER happen....LOL
Calling for incredably harsh penalties for them who have ANY sort of altered sled exhaust all the while knowing they got some
obnoxiously loud Harley sitting around just waiting for warmer temps to unleash there crapcycle loudfart echo throughout the world.
Hiding behind the scenario that you can't shut down a public roadway due your loud Harleys could backfire as well....
Plenty a do-gooders out there that'd like nothing more than to keep all motorists out of there "quiet places"....like National Forests
and pointing out YOUR Harleys ALTERED EXHAUST couldn't hurt their cause.
.....NAW....that could NEVER happen....LOL
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really tell that to the event centers /florists/catering corps/etc who have refused to host a gay wedding. most of those establishments are now under bankruptcy attempting to hold on to what little money they have left