Comments on AC 2021 New Line Up?
- Thread starter whitedust
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Yeah Jeff same thing I thought. 2021 release now sure not helping inventory reduction of the now 2020 non currents. Do you know when the 2021 sleds deliver? The hype for 2021 November release sounds good!
ICT Sledder
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I'm just trying to figure out which model year now is supposed to demand full market value. Is it the 2020's... or the 2021's... or the 2019's or 2018's? Hard to tell since the 2018/2019's are strangely getting really weak discounts for being non-currents, and the 2020's that are around at dealers are not that much more than the 2018/2019 non-currents. Lot of WTH's for those who might be looking to buy a new AC sled this season.
What a freaking mess they have brought upon themselves. A self-inflicted wound.
What a freaking mess they have brought upon themselves. A self-inflicted wound.
I get it that we have brand loyal fellas on here.
You know what makes me brand loyal, value.
I don't care who is making what, if I get buried on resale I am not going back to buy another the year after.
ICT is correct, A/C is doing no favors to their fans by trying to change the game.
Heck, T/A Motorsports still has new 2013 Cats in stock. Can you imagine seeing a new 2013 next to a 2021 on the showroom? Cat should have managed those old sleds..idiots.
Bear
xsledder
Active member
I am going back and forth as to whether Cat has a silhouette of a new sled on their website. I looks to be an Alpha but then again not. There are a few things different about it compared to the pictures if other models on the same web page. I guess I will find out if there is a new sled when Cat releases the rest of the pride in November.
Also, so much for the rumor mill of Textron discontinuing Cat. I guess a few people on this site is eating some crow.
Also, so much for the rumor mill of Textron discontinuing Cat. I guess a few people on this site is eating some crow.
2021's will be available to order through April for delivery next Fall - they aren't going to be making them early. Same deal as in 2020 - snow check only. The 2021's they've shown so far are all BNG. They hinted at having something new to show in mid-november. If they don't that will be a lame release.
Also they need to come out with their discounts on the leftovers soon. The 18's and 19's that are out there are priced higher than the 2020's were for snow check. They aren't going to clear those many of those until the discounts come out.
Also they need to come out with their discounts on the leftovers soon. The 18's and 19's that are out there are priced higher than the 2020's were for snow check. They aren't going to clear those many of those until the discounts come out.
harvest1121
Well-known member
Yamaha said they will show 2025's soon.
I agree pricing will need to be adjusted on non currents or dealers will be constipated with old inventory. Textron brought on a lot of speculation by not openly discussing their future intentions for the snow division. The Yamaha / AC relationship apparently is another big secret on /off or separation in 2021. Who knows?
I agree with all that. Just bad press, public relations all on Textron/AC's part. Textron/AC had to do something as the die hard Cat guy's were getting close to throwing in towel, and moving to a different brand. I don't see any of this "new 2021 release being delivered any time sooner than normal model year release periods. Perhaps a limited pre 2021 build? It's just bait to keep you interested. But I take this as a whole good news. AC is not going away, and Textron has very deep pockets as to the rest of the snowmobile Mfr's.
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LMFAO! Yeah, right, good luck with all that! They, Yamaha, have spewed so much total BS over the last 7 years, it doesn't even stick, or stink for that matter anymore!
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Cirrus_Driver
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What I think is very humorous is, there's actually "people" here that think there's a "significant" difference in resale between brands.
Other than discontinued models of course, there's always a chance of that. They all depreciate in an obscene fashion, yr. 1,2,3,4.
Other than discontinued models of course, there's always a chance of that. They all depreciate in an obscene fashion, yr. 1,2,3,4.
my thoughts exactly..... rumors can kill.....and lets not forget what happens when you assume
DaveZRT800
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I purchased a new 2019 ZR 9000 sno pro back in March, they gave me over $4000.00 of retail. Even back in March rumors were flying that 2020 was going to be the last year Arctic Cat would be making sleds. With all the rumors over the last couple of months guys starting talking about switching brands, not good for AC.
Idk what happened at Textron regarding AC maybe they simply didn’t understand their snowmobile customer base and the many snowmobile social websites where sleds and OEMs are discussed. Obviously Textron was downsizing terminating many of the old guard internally and dealers as well. When Kennedy publicly states management brought this on themselves by not discussing AC plans with the media puts it all in perspective for me. Textron actually learned something about snowmobile consumers and probably will do much better job at PR. Sooner or later Textron and Yamaha HAS TO make an announcement regarding their relationship I would suspect November is the month for that statement.
Being a longtime Yamaha fan...I too am baffled by the lack of information, and LIES about a 100 percent yamaha built machine...instead of being truthful about what the future holds, they have let internet speculation run wild...at least Cat is doing something...Yamaha is sitting their hands, everything is top secret. Its frustrating for sure...and IMO Yamaha waited too long, and customer's have gone on to other brands. I currently work a Ski doo dealer, and will be riding ski doos this winter...and have zero problems with that. I love what yamaha did with the viper GT this year...but the pricing is outrageous...(I know, nobody pays msrp)..basically for the same price you can buy a ski doo 900 turbo renegade....Why on earth would anybody buy a Viper (even with the improvements)?? Like whitedust said...let's see what cat does in the next couple of weeks, it should give us an idea of where yamaha is going....but alot of yami riders are buying ski-doos (seeing it first hand with my own eyes).
The new Apex...yamaha riders have been waiting for is here...and Skidoo makes it (900 ace turbo)
The new Apex...yamaha riders have been waiting for is here...and Skidoo makes it (900 ace turbo)
Folks, if Yamaha was ever going to build their own snowmobiles again, it would have happened by now. They, Yamaha made their decision not to build snowmobiles quite a while ago as in years. Textron, building back up AC power sports/snowmobiles business model structurally, will not include custom building sleds for a direct competitor! Creating their own direct competition just makes no good business sense what so ever. That would be as cutting off your own ---- with a dull knife! Then there is this, Textron put a lot of cash into being able to produce any type engines for their power sports business that they would need. 2 or 4 stroke. This is all part of a modular design/produce/build manufacturing platform. Such as Doo's model. Forget the Yamaha deal, it's over! The only thing handled worse than Textron/AC customer relations, is the way Yamaha did their customer base. They blew that years back with too many LIES, and BS as Attak man said. Perhaps Yamaha was waiting for AC to go belly up? If that is the case, they blew that big time also! Be patient with Textron/AC getting back to where they can be in the market. I for one believe it will be well worth waiting for!
bogiewheel
Member
Agree Attack Man, I have a fleet of Yami's (separation issues, don't sell one when I buy another) and its probably time to look elsewhere. There is a new 900 Turbo in the group and an offer from Whitedust to see his so its time to vet out the Doos. I just bought a UTV from Ken's and took interest in the Pol Switchback while there. So who knows, a brand switch is in order and could even trade valves for ports this time. I just can't order a sled from a company that doesn't know if they want to make them.
Strange though that Yami is offering the old Venture again.
Strange though that Yami is offering the old Venture again.
I felt like Yamaha officially announced they were giving up when they released the transporter with the cat 2 stroke. Nothing wrong with the sled but it has nothing yamaha in it other than skis and stickers.
I was told by a guy in northern ontario last January who operates some cabins for snowmobilers that Yamaha was up there testing new, high-end Yamaha-built sleds for 2021 release. This was before the 2020's came out and he told us to hold off buying anything before 2021. I'm not sure why he'd lie to us but it seems far-fetched
I was told by a guy in northern ontario last January who operates some cabins for snowmobilers that Yamaha was up there testing new, high-end Yamaha-built sleds for 2021 release. This was before the 2020's came out and he told us to hold off buying anything before 2021. I'm not sure why he'd lie to us but it seems far-fetched