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Deadly accident on Lake Gogebic
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Drinking and sledding responsibly or irresponsibly just make no sense, will probably catch flack for this but since early 90's drinking in our group while out riding not allowed at all, when we get back to cabin or hotel have at it but if not up and ready when we are... bye...bye. Im sorry but this just makes no sense, not to minimize the situation for either but wonder if both were drinking, excessive speed, or just as in auto accidents most DUI deaths someone innocent is always taken as result of someones poor decisions. Sympathies to both of their families but this has to stop, this also gives sledding a bad name. Make it hurt more (ticketing or fines) to try to curb this. SAD...VERY SAD
Why do so many people need to jump to conclusions, without knowing any details of the accident? We don't know what caused it, or if there was alcohol involved. But so many love to have a knee-jerk reaction and blame the demon alcohol. Maybe it's because they don't want to admit that we participate in a risky sport, and that there are a lot of stupid people out there who shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or a sled. And when you participate in a risky high-speed sport, sometimes **** just happens. Mechanical failure, ice heave, white-out from a huge gust of wind, deer jumping out, whatever.
Lake Gogebic has a lot of traffic, and no marked trails. When you have sleds ripping around at 100 mph in all directions, there are going to be accidents.
Damageinc, I did not jump to any conclusion, the article i read about accident said alcohol and speed were believed to be factors, if you read my response it says "i wonder" if both were drinking, I was wondering if we would ever know what happened, I was only saying that drinking and sledding make no sense at all, im sorry but thats how i feel. The accident was tragic, and again sympathies for their families. We now know one of them wasnt drinking. No conclusions were come to, just voicing dislike and what I feel is senseless.... drinking and sledding and even more so if alcohol "WAS" a factor
Why do so many people need to jump to conclusions, without knowing any details of the accident? We don't know what caused it, or if there was alcohol involved. But so many love to have a knee-jerk reaction and blame the demon alcohol. Maybe it's because they don't want to admit that we participate in a risky sport, and that there are a lot of stupid people out there who shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or a sled. And when you participate in a risky high-speed sport, sometimes **** just happens. Mechanical failure, ice heave, white-out from a huge gust of wind, deer jumping out, whatever.
Lake Gogebic has a lot of traffic, and no marked trails. When you have sleds ripping around at 100 mph in all directions, there are going to be accidents.
Damageinc, I did not jump to any conclusion, the article i read about accident said alcohol and speed were believed to be factors, if you read my response it says "i wonder" if both were drinking, I was wondering if we would ever know what happened, I was only saying that drinking and sledding make no sense at all, im sorry but thats how i feel. The accident was tragic, and again sympathies for their families. We now know one of them wasnt drinking. No conclusions were come to, just voicing dislike and what I feel is senseless.... drinking and sledding and even more so if alcohol "WAS" a factor
You and others were preaching about alcohol and clearly implying that it was the cause, without knowing anything about the circumstances of the accident. That's what we call "jumping to conclusions". And the DNR will say that alcohol was a factor if one rider even had a sip of beer. That doesn't mean that alcohol was the cause. If we were to completely remove alcohol from the sport, there would still be fatal accidents. So let's just show some respect for the victims and their families, and not jump to conclusions.
Your words, again:
Drinking and sledding responsibly or irresponsibly just make no sense, will probably catch flack for this but since early 90's drinking in our group while out riding not allowed at all, when we get back to cabin or hotel have at it but if not up and ready when we are... bye...bye. Im sorry but this just makes no sense, not to minimize the situation for either but wonder if both were drinking, excessive speed, or just as in auto accidents most DUI deaths someone innocent is always taken as result of someones poor decisions. Sympathies to both of their families but this has to stop, this also gives sledding a bad name. Make it hurt more (ticketing or fines) to try to curb this. SAD...VERY SAD
DamageInc, you bolded everything but the part that says " not to minimize the situation for either but wonder "IF" both were drinking,excessive speed" no assumptions or conclusions only based on article on the accident, i guess then it was the law that made the assumption, i read it and i responded to it without accusing either one of them of doing so, last i checked "IF" refers to "what if" not and accusation, and I seem to think I also said sympathies to their families. If you want to read into it as I accuse either of them were drinking or alcohol was involved so be it have at it, you're right. You are right removing alcohol wont prevent accidents, and as I also stated "responsibly or irresponsibly" i dont understand the need for drinking and sledding, if you chose to thats your choice, do what you have to do, accidents are accidents either way but if some can be avoided by poor decision making, lets do something about it, thats all i was saying.
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You and others were preaching about alcohol and clearly implying that it was the cause, without knowing anything about the circumstances of the accident. That's what we call "jumping to conclusions". And the DNR will say that alcohol was a factor if one rider even had a sip of beer. That doesn't mean that alcohol was the cause. If we were to completely remove alcohol from the sport, there would still be fatal accidents. So let's just show some respect for the victims and their families, and not jump to conclusions.
Your words, again:
Drinking and sledding responsibly or irresponsibly just make no sense, will probably catch flack for this but since early 90's drinking in our group while out riding not allowed at all, when we get back to cabin or hotel have at it but if not up and ready when we are... bye...bye. Im sorry but this just makes no sense, not to minimize the situation for either but wonder if both were drinking, excessive speed, or just as in auto accidents most DUI deaths someone innocent is always taken as result of someones poor decisions. Sympathies to both of their families but this has to stop, this also gives sledding a bad name. Make it hurt more (ticketing or fines) to try to curb this. SAD...VERY SAD
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Damageinc, I did not jump to any conclusion, the article i read about accident said alcohol and speed were believed to be factors, if you read my response it says "i wonder" if both were drinking, I was wondering if we would ever know what happened, I was only saying that drinking and sledding make no sense at all, im sorry but thats how i feel. The accident was tragic, and again sympathies for their families. We now know one of them wasnt drinking. No conclusions were come to, just voicing dislike and what I feel is senseless.... drinking and sledding and even more so if alcohol "WAS" a factor
that's to assuming drinking at all creates irresponsibility..thats another very broad assumption..and i aint going down that road or ill get deleted
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You and others were preaching about alcohol and clearly implying that it was the cause, without knowing anything about the circumstances of the accident. That's what we call "jumping to conclusions". And the DNR will say that alcohol was a factor if one rider even had a sip of beer. That doesn't mean that alcohol was the cause. If we were to completely remove alcohol from the sport, there would still be fatal accidents. So let's just show some respect for the victims and their families, and not jump to conclusions.
Your words, again:
Drinking and sledding responsibly or irresponsibly just make no sense, will probably catch flack for this but since early 90's drinking in our group while out riding not allowed at all, when we get back to cabin or hotel have at it but if not up and ready when we are... bye...bye. Im sorry but this just makes no sense, not to minimize the situation for either but wonder if both were drinking, excessive speed, or just as in auto accidents most DUI deaths someone innocent is always taken as result of someones poor decisions. Sympathies to both of their families but this has to stop, this also gives sledding a bad name. Make it hurt more (ticketing or fines) to try to curb this. SAD...VERY SAD
u hit it right on the head..im sick of this crap where everybody stops for a beer is an irresponsible sledder...great point damageman
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Once again, never said anyone who drinks is irresponsible, if you can read I said there are those that do it responsibly and those that do irresponsibly, if you chose to drink and ride so be it, that's your choice, if you do it irresponsibly then yes that's a problem. A few years back staying at a certain INN in twin lakes we were DONE sledding sitting at bar, a rider comes in its very late and he is lost from his party and intoxicated to say the very least,you did not need to be an expert to know he was intoxicated beyond intoxicated, and I don't care if it was from 1 2 3 4 or how ever many drinks he had, this person should not have even had a permit to walk let alone ride. THESE ARE THE IRRESPONSIBLE PROPLE I AM REFERRING TO !!!! not those who can handle their drinking. I have a close friend that is paralyzed from waist down from sledding accident where either alcohol or speed were factors, I lost a friend due to drinking and sledding and I lost a very close long time friend to a vehicle accident where EXCESSIVE speed 110 mph in a 45 and ALCOHOL also very poor decision making by him and his passenger. If you choose to drink and sled, that's your CHOICE, im not saying or assuming that you or all who do are irresponsible, but there are those who do and are... NOT ALL OF THEM. I choose not to because I don't see the sense or need to, THAT IS WHAT I DO... not what EVERYONE should do... and I am NOT saying everyone should do as I do. READ THE POST AND GET OVER IT ALREADY! goodbye
that's to assuming drinking at all creates irresponsibility..thats another very broad assumption..and i aint going down that road or ill get deleted
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u hit it right on the head..im sick of this crap where everybody stops for a beer is an irresponsible sledder...great point damageman