Engine size

Whats your engine(s) size?

  • Big dog, 1000cc+ 2stroke

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • 800cc 2 stroke

    Votes: 80 37.4%
  • 600cc 2stroke

    Votes: 80 37.4%
  • 140hp+ 4 stroke

    Votes: 28 13.1%
  • 135hp less 4stroke

    Votes: 24 11.2%
  • old school baby, vintage

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • other

    Votes: 12 5.6%

  • Total voters
    214
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fusion

Guest
Very surprised how many riders are on 800's. That total has seen a major shift in last five years.
I looked hard at an 800 Rush, but even the dealer told me no guarantee's on reliability.
When Doo or Poo can develop an 800 as reliable as the 6, I'll buy it.
 

ezra

Well-known member
lol, your buddies doo's a spittin and sitting and your on your old Xfire spankin the famous etec,,unbelievable!
truth is, even with all of doo's state of the art engine monitoring, it still cannot hold a candle to the cat 800 in reliability. I own the least reliable motor and admit it openly. To bad doo cannot set the motor in limp mode when the junk rings fail, or the rin pins fall out. Who knows whats is in store for the next round of failures. Every few years doo drops the hammer on it's customers with preventive simple mistakes like ring quality of ring pin problems. How many years have they been making 2s motors and still failing with basic engine building? No need to answer, I know the answer!
true but from what I see they at least own up and doo the right thing for the most part.
I have seen nothing like it out of the other 3 when they know dam well they have a issue
 

Cat600

Member
600 2 stroke, love the sound and the smell.

Plus don't really see the reason for wanting a 700, 800, 900 or 1100 for mostly trail riding. But I also don't get out as much as I like.
 
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lenny

Guest
true but from what I see they at least own up and doo the right thing for the most part.
I have seen nothing like it out of the other 3 when they know dam well they have a issue
That's a different story there but I do agree. Listen, from all my posts on the issue I have basically said doo is a great handling sled, they feel light and are light. Doo makes efficient sleds that are fast. So all along I have been saying they do many things well. I also say they make engine that are not at the top in comparison to cat despite all the technology, that's all I am saying.
 

momoney2123

New member
whoa daddy...takes alot a instruction to be a Doo etec owner.
Good news is you peeps have a bible full a reasons and excuses when you get rolled by the competition.

At one point it was hilarious to read the doo owner pointing out the failures of another brands 8....LOL

seems like some sledders live in the past 2 minutes and thats it.

With alla that technology you'd think DOO would have developed a console :) icon for non-LIMPDIK and a :( icon for LIMPDIK mode

nope no instruction manual actually REALLY simple, just ride it. If you never drag race and just ride you will never know that the computer has pulled a degree of timing and threw a richer fuel map at it. For those of us who do drag race simply understanding when and why we are in limp mode is the point here folks. Not rocket science. Simple water temp gauge spells it out. And when the gauge says Azzzbeat ya hammer down. It is a SNOWMOBILE, so if ur riding in good SNOW, a limp mode is few and far between, normal operating temp for etec is 106-108, go over 120 she will pull some timing, quit simple, or if u dont hold the throttle in the infamous 2 stroke mid range lean zone for long distances triggering high egts. Another extremely complicated item that may need a manual haha;). In laymens terms, its the brain protecting its heart. There are many threads on dootalk of guys holding the 800etec wide open across lakes for over 10 miles, trying to burn it down. The "brain" is constantly making needed changes and using its multiple inputs to keep the heart "happy". Pretty impressive feat of engineering. Still waiting to see one etec fail in our LARGE group full of both 6s and 8s(mostly 8s). Couldnt be happier with the product and its nice seeing how many have converted. Long live the etec. :p


side note I hope cat releases there version of the 800 etec or c-tec I think they call it? Must still be trying to de-bug it, as if it was ready they woulda came with it. If it comes and is successfull , it will def make for a quicker release of the generation 2 etec, which we all know is just waiting in the wings.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
nope no instruction manual actually REALLY simple, just ride it. If you never drag race and just ride you will never know that the computer has pulled a degree of timing and threw a richer fuel map at it. For those of us who do drag race simply understanding when and why we are in limp mode is the point here folks. Not rocket science. Simple water temp gauge spells it out. And when the gauge says Azzzbeat ya hammer down. It is a SNOWMOBILE, so if ur riding in good SNOW, a limp mode is few and far between, normal operating temp for etec is 106-108, go over 120 she will pull some timing, quit simple, or if u dont hold the throttle in the infamous 2 stroke mid range lean zone for long distances triggering high egts. Another extremely complicated item that may need a manual haha;). In laymens terms, its the brain protecting its heart. There are many threads on dootalk of guys holding the 800etec wide open across lakes for over 10 miles, trying to burn it down. The "brain" is constantly making needed changes and using its multiple inputs to keep the heart "happy". Pretty impressive feat of engineering. Still waiting to see one etec fail in our LARGE group full of both 6s and 8s(mostly 8s). Couldnt be happier with the product and its nice seeing how many have converted. Long live the etec. :p


side note I hope cat releases there version of the 800 etec or c-tec I think they call it? Must still be trying to de-bug it, as if it was ready they woulda came with it. If it comes and is successfull , it will def make for a quicker release of the generation 2 etec, which we all know is just waiting in the wings.

Nice reply....Good to see you realize I was just doin a little chain jerkin....all you explained makes sense in protecting that engine.....I set myself up for potential catastrophe this season by signing on to the new POO 800 HO this year.....guinea pig time!
 
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fusion

Guest
That's a different story there but I do agree. Listen, from all my posts on the issue I have basically said doo is a great handling sled, they feel light and are light. Doo makes efficient sleds that are fast. So all along I have been saying they do many things well. I also say they make engine that are not at the top in comparison to cat despite all the technology, that's all I am saying.

Sorry dude, you are a young buck with limited experience and no doubt limited technical comprehension, but also slightly delusional....
AC couldn't even begin to be in the same conversation with BRP from a tech point of view. E-Tech light years ahead of anything AC has, or ever will have.
Chassis or power plant, no comparison, BRP number one for a reason while AC wallows in the battle for last place with the Yam-tanks.
 

momoney2123

New member
Nice reply....Good to see you realize I was just doin a little chain jerkin....all you explained makes sense in protecting that engine.....I set myself up for potential catastrophe this season by signing on to the new POO 800 HO this year.....guinea pig time!

def a gutsy call. Hope its a winner!
 

momoney2123

New member
One number I would love to know, is exactly how many more 800etecs are on the snow than the other 800s, since its full introduction in 2011. and how many or percentage actually had a major failure. NOT a factory recall/inspection before POSSIBLE failure.
 

ezra

Well-known member
That's a different story there but I do agree. Listen, from all my posts on the issue I have basically said doo is a great handling sled, they feel light and are light. Doo makes efficient sleds that are fast. So all along I have been saying they do many things well. I also say they make engine that are not at the top in comparison to cat despite all the technology, that's all I am saying.
and I think that is a huge part of the prob all the technology. the most antiquated 800 in the bunch is the most reliable.
 

ezra

Well-known member
Sorry dude, you are a young buck with limited experience and no doubt limited technical comprehension, but also slightly delusional....
AC couldn't even begin to be in the same conversation with BRP from a tech point of view. E-Tech light years ahead of anything AC has, or ever will have.
Chassis or power plant, no comparison, BRP number one for a reason while AC wallows in the battle for last place with the Yam-tanks.
really do u need a high tech power plant to be in the game? from where I stand the most reliable 800 in the game is a cat hands down. and the new 600 is only 1 yr old but have not seen any bad reports as of yet.
Greg Spaulding is head engineer and Imho one of the best in the game . he proved u dont need overly complex electronics to build a EPA compliant competitive 2 stroke with the new 600. and I would bet u see a 800 version on the snow as soon as they are sure just how much power they will need to run through it to be competitive with the new releases from the competition.
and as far as that XP chassis that is deff a highly debatable subject

as far as a young Buck not sure how old u are calling a guy on his 50th a buck.
any one playing that card on a 50 yr old must be wearing a adult dipper using the free computer in the lob of the nursing home
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
nope no instruction manual actually REALLY simple, just ride it. If you never drag race and just ride you will never know that the computer has pulled a degree of timing and threw a richer fuel map at it. For those of us who do drag race simply understanding when and why we are in limp mode is the point here folks. Not rocket science. Simple water temp gauge spells it out. And when the gauge says Azzzbeat ya hammer down. It is a SNOWMOBILE, so if ur riding in good SNOW, a limp mode is few and far between, normal operating temp for etec is 106-108, go over 120 she will pull some timing, quit simple, or if u dont hold the throttle in the infamous 2 stroke mid range lean zone for long distances triggering high egts. Another extremely complicated item that may need a manual haha;). In laymens terms, its the brain protecting its heart. There are many threads on dootalk of guys holding the 800etec wide open across lakes for over 10 miles, trying to burn it down. The "brain" is constantly making needed changes and using its multiple inputs to keep the heart "happy". Pretty impressive feat of engineering. Still waiting to see one etec fail in our LARGE group full of both 6s and 8s(mostly 8s). Couldnt be happier with the product and its nice seeing how many have converted. Long live the etec. :p

side note I hope cat releases there version of the 800 etec or c-tec I think they call it? Must still be trying to de-bug it, as if it was ready they woulda came with it. If it comes and is successfull , it will def make for a quicker release of the generation 2 etec, which we all know is just waiting in the wings.

I doubt BRP has better tech that is ready for the consumer that they are sitting on just because they are so far ahead of the others. No doubt they make a great sled and outsell all others combined but most still question their 2 stroke longevity based on the track record. If they could make an EPA approved 2 stroke than can be expected to do 10-12k in miles before work is required they would sell the heck out of it.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Hahaha geez..... it's all EPA credits every one of the OEMS would be selling low tech carb 2s engines if they could. OEms are not at the doorway of SDI or DI 2s as their choice of profitable & reliable 2s engines. ...the EPA forced the issue.
 
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lenny

Guest
Sorry dude, you are a young buck with limited experience and no doubt limited technical comprehension, but also slightly delusional....
AC couldn't even begin to be in the same conversation with BRP from a tech point of view. E-Tech light years ahead of anything AC has, or ever will have.
Chassis or power plant, no comparison, BRP number one for a reason while AC wallows in the battle for last place with the Yam-tanks.
hey, I am sure I come across as a young stud and thanks for noticing! Delusional,,,,lol, that there is funny. You seem to ignore the track record of doo but I don't and I do see the track record of cats 800 and it's darn good. I could give a rats *** about the technology of doo because it hasn't earned them the title of reliablitity as Cat has earned. I'd do some research and learn for yourself, don't take my word for it. Maybe what we are seeing here is something like you feel threatened because you own a eturd? Just funnin with you, don't take it personally.
 
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Woodtic

Active member
Lenny is a punk at 50. Lmao. HD is the number one selling motorcycle in the US. It's also the most un reliable. Still don't get this brand loyalty crap.
 

EXCESSIVE FORCE

New member
Rode with an etec last winter that had 20,000 miles on it......It had blown up 3 times and on the first day of the trip it blew up again....LOL....Felt better sitting on my 2010 800 HO with 17,000 on it and only had the mag side rebiult at 7,000 for a defective seal...Under warranty of course....Go CAT !!!
 
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