Got Run off the trail and ROLLED!

Driving from Wakefield towards LG on trail 8 sat afternoon I got run off the trail and rolled my sled. Here's the story I feel I did nothing wrong. My friend and I are driving east on 8 about half-way to LG I'm leading, he's about 1/4 mile behind me. I'm approaching a group of 5 sleds traveling in the same direction as me. They are going slow around 30-35 mph. Trail 8 is very straight for those that haven't ridden it, you can see a mile ahead of you. I slow down and stay behind the fifth sled, then the fifth sled goes off-trail to the left side of the trail. This part of trail 8 has a huge area parallel to the trail thats not groomed. I proceed past him and go behind the forth sled in their group. I follow the forth sled for 1/8 of a mile he never leaves the right side of the trail at all. I felt It was a good and safe time to pass, Trail 8 is very wide and straight at this point, I go to the extreme left side of the trail and proceed to pass. As the tips of my skis get even with the middle of his sled(I'm easily 7 sled widths to his left) he suddenly veers to his left directly towards my path. I hammer the brake and cut hard left, my sled skids off-trail and rolls, throughs me off. I still can't believe we didn't trade paint, it had to be within a inch of impact. He had to of seen the near collision my head was within a foot of his. He doesn't stop, just continues diving down the left side of the trail. My sleds goes end over end and lands on its side, I land just off the side of the trail on my shoulder. Sled still running, track still spinning I sit up in shock. Then all of a sudden the fifth sled in this group drives right by me starring at me and doesn't stop. ***. My buddy drives up on the scene and gives me the *** gesture I give him the thumbs up That I'm Ok, and motion for him to chase down this group of sleds. Meanwhile my sled is upside down still running and there are parts all overthe place. I sit there for a couple of mins some guys stop from the opposite direction and help me flip the sled over and check to see if I'm alright. I pick up all the pieces of my sled and catch up with my friend who stopped this group of sledders about a mile and a half up the trail. Its a family of five; Dad, Mom, Daughter, son(forth sled),son(fifth sled). My friend was talking to the group for several minutes before I arrived. I was calm and not looking to start a fight or to start placing blame. I was pissed off that nobody stoped, for all they knew I was injured. Mom said that I was a "hot-rodder" and had no business passing any body, and that nobody she knows passes people. There was no reasoning with her, I wasn't interested in argueing the rules of the road with her. She said he's only 15, as if that makes it ok to leave somebody flipped over on the side of the trail. I said to the kid who was driving the fifth sled, you drove right by me ***? He said you were sitting up and looked ok. My legs could of been broke for all he knew. I told the mom I was raised to stop and help its obvious her kids weren't. The dad never said a word. Was I wrong to attempt a pass, I don't think so. Other than this incident it was our best trip of the season- great snow. LOL
 

bonnevier

Member
yikes...sounds like a tough situation. First let me say I would have stopped and helped. Not to argue who was right or wrong but to see if you were ok and nothing majorily wrong.

You mentioned that the 5th sled driver was a kid...maybe he/she did not stop for fear of getting left behind by the rest of the family, not knowing where they were, etc... That is the only thing I could see. Not saying it is right...but just sayin!

Finally, how are you feeling as well as the sled?
 

tomx

Member
I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune. I can only speak to the way I handle slower people on the trails. I will not pass a group regardless of trail width unless they are pulled over or the lead sled has made everyone in the group aware that I am wanting to pass. This way there is little question that all in the group know I am there. I like to ride hard but patience has kept me safe for alot of years.
 
I can only imagine trying to reason with a angry mother or wife. The husband didn't even want to say something, that says it all. Doesn't matter if you were passing or not, the kid should have stopped. I wonder if he would've stopped if you were coming at him and crashed?

I don't think you were in the wrong at all by passing a slower group, especially when the part of the trail is considered being the safest part to pass. At least you were ok and not seriously injured. I guess the best lesson we can learn from all of this is to follow what....

tomx stated-- " I like to ride hard but patience has kept me safe for alot of years."

Something I will probably follow from now on.
 
yikes...sounds like a tough situation. First let me say I would have stopped and helped. Not to argue who was right or wrong but to see if you were ok and nothing majorily wrong.

You mentioned that the 5th sled driver was a kid...maybe he/she did not stop for fear of getting left behind by the rest of the family, not knowing where they were, etc... That is the only thing I could see. Not saying it is right...but just sayin!

Finally, how are you feeling as well as the sled?

Broke the handguards off, and wind shield
 

buddah2

Member
It just further illustrates what has become endemic in society as a whole.....the "my kid wouldn't do THAT" syndrome.....coupled with the fact it was Mom that got mouthy and Dad needs to grow a pair.................


(At least you're O.K...........the sled is a machine.....it can be fixed)
 

favoritos

Well-known member
Tough deal. I know that section of trail. I am always worried with a safe pass because I never know when someone will head off trail into that open area. (It is probably safe though, because no one has posted "stay on trail" signs).

I never pass unless I have a good idea on the riders habits. It takes time with some riders. There are some that I can not pass. The wondering oblivious to the world, are dangerous. I have followed some of them for miles and have seen how close they get to oncoming traffic. I have seen some of the same center crossers throw up a fist after a close call.:confused: (Not too be confused with the last in a group signal.)How many miles can you ride and not know someone is behind you, OK, I'm ranting.
That section of trail you mentioned can be nice, but it is too tempting for anyone looking at the play area just off the side. Be carefull with any pass along the open side in that trail section. Watch the rider's helmet in front of you, if they are turning their helmet to the open area, they are ready to turn. I have no idea why they are not looking behind them, but I have seen it so often . . . It is not the group that makes the turn decision. It just takes one rider.

The rider that went by and did not stop. That is wrong. I sure hope for the sport, that there was a family discussion, about taking care of fellow sledders no matter what happened.

Glad too hear you are OK.
 

xgl914

New member
Funny! The family here are the morons, not ricky racer everyone is complaining about all the time. Seems you didn't do anything wrong except try to get by a bunch of idiots. Glad you're okay and when I come up on a group I get by without following or skipping a beat, the longer you follow someone, the less they think you're there. If I don't get by someone with a split second decision, I get an uneasy feeling they will do something stupid.
 

hoosierblizzard

New member
I'm with tomx. Will not pass till I'm directed to or the group is pulled over and stopped. I sit back, relax, and enjoy the exhaust fumes!! sometimes for miles. I do let the sled in front of me know that I'm still there, but am respectful not to crowd them. Bad things can happen quickly when sleds are moving next to each other.
 

gordonroot

New member
first off the kids should be in between the parents, then it sounds like the boys weren't taught to look before you turn, never know if there is somebody behind you. you teach the kids to stay in line, dad can stop in an open area and let the kids play, thats how I was taught. next time it could it could end up to be a lot worse situation, parents need to be resposible when out with there family. glad you were ok.
 

ajscam

Member
I kind of find it hard to fault a scared kid for not stopping when the rest of his family is speeding off.

You made the decision to try to pass, you deal with the consequences of your decision.

Count your stars that you didn't hit the 4th seld and send it into a tree. Talk about a pissed off momma.

Glad you're ok, hope you learn something from this experience.
 

qber

New member
The parents should teach the kids some trail etiquette by example and looks like Mom had no clue!
 
I kind of find it hard to fault a scared kid for not stopping when the rest of his family is speeding off.

You made the decision to try to pass, you deal with the consequences of your decision.

Count your stars that you didn't hit the 4th seld and send it into a tree. Talk about a pissed off momma.

Glad you're ok, hope you learn something from this experience.

Maybe the forth sled almost hit me and sent me into a tree.I know I would of stopped even at a younger age of 15 or 16 if I saw something happen like that. And what I learned from this experience is if I'm going to pass a sled again I'm gonna do it alot faster, I thought I was being considerate putzing along side of this group, or maybe I'll get a loud can so they can hear me coming.
 

buddah2

Member
..... And what I learned from this experience is if I'm going to pass a sled again I'm gonna do it a lot faster,.....

We tend to get a lot of tourists and neophytes in this area. One reason I try to avoid trails whenever possible. But when I first started riding sleds 20 or so years ago, I learned the safest way to pass, if you're going to pass, is to do it and get on by.......less time for them to overreact and screw up.
 

ezra

Well-known member
sounds to me like mom was prob pissing and crying about people passing the night before and JR knew darn well what he was doing and knew from past expereance there would be no blame pushed on him.
all I can say is I dont think I would have moved over and it would have gotten alot more uggly real quick.
sound deff like a intentanal situation dont think I would have left with out a call to the cops and there insurance company
 

blkhwkbob

Active member
Another reason why communicators are a great tool. Once you pass the last guy in our group, he sends a warning to everyone in front of him so that we know there are sleds trying to pass us. Sometimes a front rider will see sleds catching up to us in our mirrors, and we can also warn everyone that we are about to be passed.
 

Wild Bill

New member
I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune. I can only speak to the way I handle slower people on the trails. I will not pass a group regardless of trail width unless they are pulled over or the lead sled has made everyone in the group aware that I am wanting to pass. This way there is little question that all in the group know I am there. I like to ride hard but patience has kept me safe for alot of years.

x 2. The hoop n' hollar will still be there. There is no good reason to pass without the leader's acknowledgement. Slow down and wait for a safe pass.

I also have a hard time believing you were "7 sled widths to the left." That is 9 sled width's total at 48" (4ft) each. Trail 8 is wide, but no way is it 36 ft wide.
 
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