I am hoping to come up Dec. 1. The trails don't open until then so I am not counting any snow there now or before Dec. 1. As it stands today, the forecast doesn't look great for riding on opening day. But, even John will tell you not to put a lot of stock in his forecast two weeks out. When do you think the trails will be rated at least "Fair". That is the standard I am looking for. Right now my guess is December 8.