gun violence

uncle_ed

Active member
Remember there was but one thing that stopped Adam Lanza from continuing his psychotic rampage in Newtown and that was the realization that the police had arrived and he was now out gunned, so the coward killed himself. I wonder if this would have happened if he had thought that there was an armed security officer inside the building to begin with? It is sad when we put more value on bags of money in an armored car which we guard with our life and yet leave our children defenseless in our schools!
 
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lenny

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Remember there was but one thing that stopped Adam Lanza from continuing his psychotic rampage in Newtown and that was the realization that the police had arrived and he was now out gunned, so the coward killed himself. I wonder if this would have happened if he had thought that there was an armed security officer inside the building to begin with? It is sad when we put more value on bags of money in an armored car which we guard with our life and yet leave our children defenseless in our schools!

That does bring up a good point and a disturbing point at that! Not sure about you guys but when a school zone becomes such a dangerous place maybe children do not belong there any more. Has it come to that? Yes and no depending on how you measure danger. I measure danger by the physical, academic and emotional elements. My first and foremost fear is the repercussions of the other children attitudes and behaviors rubbing off on my kids. Second is the none academic things being taught by schools like tolerance, Billy's 2 mothers and that sort of social thinking. Academic teaching now includes teaching people how to think. Third point is the physical aspect and the level of danger has been increasing so with all that said are our precious children really safe. Honestly, I have a difficult time measuring just which aspect is most dangerous and with that said they are much better off being home schooled.

The thought of metal detectors, armed guards, loocked doors is a good picture of how far we have really sunk in our ways. It just not seem like a good environment for young kids.
 

eagle1

Well-known member
Which school would you feel safer sending your kid too?

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I bet there are ton of retired vets that would love to be around children and help protect our children. Just one idea.

Long term. I think every person between the ages of 16 -18 should have to spend 6 months in a foreign country doing service work. (just for u Nash)> Weather it be the armed forces or Red cross or something. Need to learn how good they have it how other Goverments treat their people.
 

russholio

Well-known member
Here is my list of front-runners:

Lenny for President
A. Moose for Vice-President
Mspease for Speaker of the House
Nash for Secretary of State (will ensure that all official written communications use proper spelling and grammar :) )

Of course, there are several other worthy and qualified candidates who should be considered for cabinet positions.
 

jonesin

Well-known member
Remember there was but one thing that stopped Adam Lanza from continuing his psychotic rampage in Newtown and that was the realization that the police had arrived and he was now out gunned, so the coward killed himself. I wonder if this would have happened if he had thought that there was an armed security officer inside the building to begin with? It is sad when we put more value on bags of money in an armored car which we guard with our life and yet leave our children defenseless in our schools!

i totally agree. i know the principle and custodian at our school and would totally trust them to have a gun hid somewhere just in case.
my 13 year old would have put up more of a fight than what the killer had to face, i'm from the old school kind of thinking in that if you break into my house and take me out you better not turn your back on my son, he's nearly as good a shot as me and he does know how to access most of my guns because I trust him
 

98panther

New member
i'm from the old school kind of thinking in that if you break into my house and take me out you better not turn your back on my son, he's nearly as good a shot as me and he does know how to access most of my guns because I trust him

My comment has nothing to do with anyone here, or their kids but...
Sadly a week ago the Mom was probably saying the same thing.
 

98panther

New member
I haven't read that, what I saw she was helping him find a new College for next year. And taking him to the shooting range.
Before she pulled him from school to home school. Seen nothing about commiting.

I am really not researching this and don't want to either. but I read the news sites too much I guess. [barf]
 
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anonomoose

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The news media doing the usual barfing research, found a former baby sitter of the nut job who was interviewed and he said that his mother told the sitter to "never let him out of your sight...not even to the bath and don't turn your back on him..."

While I can see that she was a gun collector and teacher, with a troubled child, this woman simply did not use sound judgement to lock the guns up so this could not happen. Actually had she done that, this probably would not have happened...at least when it did because she was the single source of weapons. Why would she be so ignorant of such safety? We will never know....

But the single fact that more of our population is far removed from any first hand knowledge about how a firearm works, when it can save lives, and what is even necessary (law) ALREADY to purchase them. For those folks....we need to add mounds of more laws for folks who have broken no laws to jump over...which they surely will, but it DOES put a bandage on a gaping wound....at least until the next mass murder in a "gun free zone"....

While I would not advocate that janitors and administrative personnel be allowed to carry into the classrooms, sadly if we can not monitor and staff schools in a fashion like we do a large corporate facility, or airport, then the fact and knowledge that "some of the staff" have the ability to shoot to kill and are trained is better than nothing...which is the way it is now.
 

anonomoose

New member
Here is my list of front-runners:

Lenny for President
A. Moose for Vice-President
Mspease for Speaker of the House
Nash for Secretary of State (will ensure that all official written communications use proper spelling and grammar :) )

Of course, there are several other worthy and qualified candidates who should be considered for cabinet positions.

No way am I workin as backup to Leonard.....and if Mr. Nash is S of S, then he!! has definitely frozen over for sure.... But I would like to have their pensions!:cool:
 
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lenny

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My comment has nothing to do with anyone here, or their kids but...
Sadly a week ago the Mom was probably saying the same thing.

you know,,, you can never be to careful. When I was about 12 my friends little brother drank some Drano and his mouth was well,, looked like it was warped and he spoke odd because of the damage. I remember his parents were super parents and we never thought much of it. I never forgot that as a kid and always keep that stuff away from my kids because there are so many opportunities that a parent my not see and the kids will hurt themselves. Regardless how good or bad the kids or parents, safety cannot be compromised. States should adopt education policy and have schools and churches teach the programs. No need to spend 13 million per state. Just simple common sense but well thought and administered.
 
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lenny

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No way am I workin as backup to Leonard.....and if Mr. Nash is S of S, then he!! has definitely frozen over for sure.... But I would like to have their pensions!:cool:

you'll do it and like it buddy, were a team now! Yea!!!!!
 
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The whacks that shoot up schools are much like terrorists. If you arm teachers and make the schools into fortresses - all at great expense - the whacks will just do what terrorists do and move on to an easier target. Who knew airliners were a means of mass destruction and murder before 9/11? Any attempt at gun control will solve nothing. A killer is a killer. I think that our ever increasing violent movie industry and the shoot-em -up videos we have now that we didn't have decades ago have contributed a lot to the problem as has been stated several times on this thread. So then - what to do????? I have no idea.
 

russholio

Well-known member
People who have a propensity to break laws will always break laws and flaunt rules/regulations, regardless of how many there are. You cannot legislate morality, ethics, respect, or sound parenting.
 

anonomoose

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I can not think of a single solitary law that would have prevented the CT massacre...remove all assault type weapons, and it still would not have stopped this act of violence.

I CAN however, think of several changes that would have prevented it completely....including locking up the firearms in the first place, far better security at the school, armed and practiced military retired or law enforcement.

If we directed all the hysteria toward that endeavor then, those who died will not have died in vain.
 
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Second is the none academic things being taught by schools like tolerance, Billy's 2 mothers and that sort of social thinking. Academic teaching now includes teaching people how to think.

Brilliant Lenny! I have agreed with many points on this thread, but that one stands out to me as one of the best! Rather than teaching them only reading, writing and arithmetic, they teach them liberal values.
 
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lenny

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Brilliant Lenny! I have agreed with many points on this thread, but that one stands out to me as one of the best! Rather than teaching them only reading, writing and arithmetic, they teach them liberal values.

yup and at our coin. It is MY responsibility to instill values in MY kids and do not need the state sacrificing my principles. Honestly, I don't have a problem with people doing whatever they want to do because that is the beauty of the individual, we decide our own destiny and all that goes along with it, weather good or bad. If we all choose how to live our life than we cannot tell someone else how to live. So, we cannot criticize each other regarding what we teach our children if we cannot criticize the individual for their actions,,,, regarding morality is what I am referring to. This is why I mention particular moral teachings. I believe some thing are immoral and others believe they are not. Do I not have the right to teach morality as I see it as long as I do not slander or mistreat those I disagree with? I am sure there are those who would say that my statement of "Billy's two mothers" would insinuate a negative response to gay people and that would be correct. I have the right to believe as I do and teach my kids as I believe and I do that with respect and no ill intent to those I disagree with.
 
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I got this today and find it appropriate for this discussion. I'm as guilty of some of this as anybody.



A wonderful Message by George Carlin:

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider Freeways, but narrower viewpoints.

We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little , watch TV too much , and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.
We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.

We've learned how to make a living, but not a life.
We've added years to life not life to years.
We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor.

We conquered outer space but not inner space.
We've done larger things, but not better things.

We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul.
We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice.
We write more, but learn less.
We plan more, but accomplish less.
We've learned to rush, but not to wait.
We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes.

These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill.

It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete...

Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.

Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

Remember, to give a w arm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.

Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.

Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
 

frnash

Active member
… Nash for Secretary of State (will ensure that all official written communications use proper spelling and grammar :) ) …
If it wuz me, I'd be sure to do all dat writin' — and most particularly speechifyin' — in either (click→) Yooperese or perhaps (click→) Finglish! ;)

Which school would you feel safer sending your kid too [sic]?
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Now that is the absolute best idea I've seen on this matter, bar none!

… (just for u Nash)> Weather it be the armed forces or Red cross or something. Need to learn how good they have it how other Goverments treat their people.…
"(just for u Nash)>"? You must have meant: "Weather" [sic] it be the armed forces …", or was it "Goverments" [sic]? :D


Incidentally, the NRA's stand on this issue, from CBS5az.com: (click→) "NRA calls for armed police officer in every school",
and Arizona's take on the subject, also from CBS5az.com: (click→) "AZ officials react to NRA's call for armed police officer in every school".
 
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Deleted member 10829

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I watched the NRA press conference today and feel it is something everyone should watch to get a side that you won't hear from the media, except maybe one exception. I have a link below to it. It starts at about 1:20 and you really need to watch it all, but the best starts about 8:40. Some highlights;

- 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence are viewed on tv, video games and movies by our children before they reach the age of 18! An online video game has been
on the internet for 10 years called "Kindergarten Killers".
- The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
- President Obama zeroed out school emergency planning grants out of last years budget and scrapped secure school policing grants in next years budget! I guess that
money is better spent on Solyndra.

There is much more, please watch it all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZb8EXUrQTo
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