gun violence

88skier

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a quick response to this statement. While I will agree that when a heinous action is being thought out, the ease in which it can be carried out can be linked to the availability of guns but do you really want to invest in a response without an action than could directly impact the root cause? I agree we can and should address this in numerous way but Unless you remove every gun from society you are going to have this sort of crisis. To the extent that which your statement will yield results, I will assume you are implying gun control, at best is negligible,,, IMO,, nothing to back it up but just old reasoning on my part. Claiming data is necessary to address a behavioral problem is a stretch but at the same time it is how our evolving society operates, which I have a problem with.

I tend to believe think that statuesque of university thinkers will just be another establishment, politicized quagmire of a mess adding to the effect of a snowball rolling down the hill contributing to the clouded complexity of a simple matter.

Responsible gun ownership will yield the single most dividends to this problem. I mean we have big a** safes to lock up valuables that thieves cannot steal but
yet often dangerous weapons sit in a extravagant case on display for any clown to nab. I am not implying this was the case in CT but across the nation in general it is the case. If a gun can kill than go to extremes to keep that weapon where it belongs and that is out of the hands of potential nut jobs.

I brought up those studies because they are the only objective way we have to quantify this problem. The data itself doesn't come from universities. How can we expect to address an issue if we can't even grasp what it is?

The ideal solution to this problem, "responsible gun ownership" is exactly that; desirable and even preferable but otherwise impractical. Gun control doesn't prevent all of these incidents, as we can see from recent events in Britain, France, Norway, and Australia, but it does lead to a reduction. That reduction is why I cited the sources I provided.
 
people have been killing people since there were people. sticks rocks knives guns lazers 40 watt plazma rifles. the only way to stop it is to get rid of people.
 
Ah ...the proof! Did any of these studies use proper controls in their analysis? It is nearly impossible to do this study without adding a whole bunch of salt to the mix.

For example, in Detroit, it is estimated that nearly 1/2 of the guns (primarily hand guns) are NOT registered...to the households that the gun resides. Uncle Joe got it for me type of purchases. When you send out a survey, the LAST thing anyone is going to admit to is having in their possession a weapon they do not own but possess. Illegal handguns, which are stolen, unregistered and resold to the highest bidder will skew the HARVARD study to death. If you use the HARVARD analysis and double firearm ownership...perhaps it would find DETROIT as one of the safest places to live and below average for homicides! We know that is not the case...we know that 30% or more do not have a steady job or no job at all, and more alcoholics per square mile than anywhere in California save for perhaps LA.... How does one remove this from the equation???

I believe I read somewhere not long ago, that 80% of homicides are committed by people who have some acquaintance to the perpetrator. Random crime compared to husband offing his cheatin wife type of crime. This latest falls into BOTH categories.

Correlations as such can scarcely provide a decent control to measure the results. Anyone who has a scientific degree knows without that, the results are pure speculation. On smaller scales where communities encourage firearm ownership, quite the opposite is the result.


What I do believe is that folks who are 4th generation out of "firearm" ownership are far more inclined to find little value in owning a weapon to protect themselves, or obviously how much fun it is to go plinking with a 22 caliber rifle which btw holds up to 16 shots without reloading. Assault weapon?? Killing machine??

Please understand that you can kill with a nail gun, or fertilizer and fuel oil.....best to understand WHY this is done, not HOW it is done. And prevention is worth a pound of cure.

for the most part i agree. the problem with studies is they only take samples. samples can skew a result. the only way to be sure is to ask everyone. not sure why the actual study is not listed but just the results.
 

mjkaliszak

New member
A lot of opinions, I think this event has put a damper on our nation. We need to learn from it. Protecting our kids is what I think is necessary. If we are not about that ??? then what are we about.
The video games & movies & media are influencing our morally declining youth. Yes our mental health system is failed but so is our prison system. I for 1 don't want to pay for sheltering our criminals in such a cozy establishment.
There is a prison in Russia called the Black Dolphin. It is a final destination, only 1 way out , a box. I had to admire the facility.

I'm glad my parents spent the time with us, raising us , and guiding us. It has enabled me & my wife to be role models in raising our kids. They do know right from wrong. We have been blessed with our kids. I even hugged my 20yr old daughters the other day, and my soon to be grown man son, a gave him a pat on the back. My kids don't even want to watch the media spin, they are sick of it. It was a horrible event. Is this the world we are leaving them ? My deepest regrets go out to the families of those effected by this tragedy. The important part is what we learn from it ? And with that I go right back to securing our schools.
Just my .02
 

jonesin

Well-known member
as long as we are making new laws, why not outlaw "goths", they seem to be involved here and collinbine. why not make it law that we all have to be "@#$" insert a religion of choice. you are never going to be able to stop evil from showing its ugly head with laws, morality and religious practice is at an all time low, what do we expect? personally i hope that if it does show its ugly head around me that i am ready to shoot it off or die trying
 

durphee

Well-known member
The more investigators find out about the shooter we are finding that this child really had some development/mental issues (im not a trained professional so I don' t know the right words). His social skills, separation anxiety, the separation from his father, and basic aversion to human contact. From what I have read, it seemed his mother really tried to help her child out. Im not trying to vindicate the shooter or anything like that, but as a parent I couldn't imagine having a child so removed from society, trying everything I could and still not having success. Remember, this child had problems, major problems. It doesn't excuse his actions by any means but I am still going back to mental health issues. Looking at the other factors in his life, supportive mother, wealthy, wealthy parents (divorced), smart, politically and economically aware of life, but the other issues were too large.

I don't even know where I am going with this post, but I guess if you see someone struggling then maybe lend a hand to help, offer up support and if your a religious person then pray for them; not that its any guarantee it will work but at least its a try. I agree with a lot of what Lenny stated, we as a society can lift up our country and others.
 
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lenny

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"How can we expect to address an issue if we can't even grasp what it is?"

The above questions was asked. I really do not think we have no idea what the issue is. The is a tragedy kind of like a tornado or a hurricane but this one is man made. It is unrealistic to think this sort of thing will go away. I and many others here have offer realistic and reasonable ideas to lower the percentage but some of us do not even respond to the ideas probably because they disagree. Probably the same people believe we just need to ride ourselves of guns and the problem will go away.

PEOPLE are the problem and we need to deal with the PEOPLE. It is our nature to do vile things and you will not change our nature but we can manage it better. If you are the type of person to think we will come up with a plan and the problem will go away than you are acting on emotion of the horrific act and we will spin our wheel just as we have been. Don't deal with the heart of man and all will continue on in the same way.

I blame the mom first for not securing her weapon responsibily and I blame her for not seeing the possibility of disaster. Don't even jump on me about blaming mom just because she is dead. I wish none had died but the kid needed help in some way and mom always knows best.
 
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98panther

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from what they are learning and I see on the news sites online...IMO

He was 20, he is to blame - he was messed up in the head for sure. But knew what he did, planned it. And a coward. He wanted to kill as many before he could before he took himself out. So he choose little kids cause that's all he felt he could handle if they fought back. That appears to be why he went where he did, they haven't found any other reason yet.

Now the Mother I have my own opinion about people that stock guns and ammo for societies end...

But fact is....she owned her guns legally under the laws everyone loves.
She did not have to secure them from a minor because he wasn't a minor. And he had no record and wasn't declared unstable so he probably could have legally bought his own. If she was alive she probably wouldn't be charged with anything. There is a point you are responsible regardless...doesn't matter how sad you are
 
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lenny

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you guys gotta watch Pier's Morgan tonight if you can for those of you in central time, it is a heated debate w/insults. Give it a tune in if you can!
 
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88skier

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"How can we expect to address an issue if we can't even grasp what it is?"

The above questions was asked. I really do not think we have no idea what the issue is. The is a tragedy kind of like a tornado or a hurricane but this one is man made. It is unrealistic to think this sort of thing will go away. I and many others here have offer realistic and reasonable ideas to lower the percentage but some of us do not even respond to the ideas probably because they disagree. Probably the same people believe we just need to ride ourselves of guns and the problem will go away.

PEOPLE are the problem and we need to deal with the PEOPLE. It is our nature to do vile things and you will not change our nature but we can manage it better. If you are the type of person to think we will come up with a plan and the problem will go away than you are acting on emotion of the horrific act and we will spin our wheel just as we have been. Don't deal with the heart of man and all will continue on in the same way.

I blame the mom first for not securing her weapon responsibily and I blame her for not seeing the possibility of disaster. Don't even jump on me about blaming mom just because she is dead. I wish none had died but the kid needed help in some way and mom always knows best.

I think people know what the issue is on an emotional level but are incapable or otherwise unwilling to grapple with it in terms of numbers. The statistics relating to this issue are startling. They expose, to borrow a phrase from a former VP you might know, an inconvenient truth: there are more guns in the US and there is more murder because of the availability of guns. You can argue that it is because of the people behind them but in order to believe that you must also believe that Americans are predisposed to be more violent than their counterparts in other industrialized nations. I don't know of anyone who truly believes that. I don't like the idea or "need" for gun control, but it seems like it is the only thing that has any hope of working.
 

eagle1

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You cannot fight evil by handicapping the good guys.
How many soldiers have died in the last 10 years fighting for our freedom? And now we should give up these freedoms? Sounds like a waste to me. Maybe it's about dang time people used that freedom to learn about guns and help protect our innocent.
 

russholio

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from what they are learning and I see on the news sites online...IMO

He was 20, he is to blame - he was messed up in the head for sure. But knew what he did, planned it. And a coward. He wanted to kill as many before he could before he took himself out. So he choose little kids cause that's all he felt he could handle if they fought back. That appears to be why he went where he did, they haven't found any other reason yet.

Now the Mother I have my own opinion about people that stock guns and ammo for societies end...

But fact is....she owned her guns legally under the laws everyone loves.
She did not have to secure them from a minor because he wasn't a minor. And he had no record and wasn't declared unstable so he probably could have legally bought his own. If she was alive she probably wouldn't be charged with anything. There is a point you are responsible regardless...doesn't matter how sad you are

Agreed on all points but one: to my understanding, he DID try to obtain a weapon legally but was denied. So, the system worked. Unfortunately, he decided then to steal his mother's, which is obviously against the law.
 
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lenny

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I think people know what the issue is on an emotional level but are incapable or otherwise unwilling to grapple with it in terms of numbers. The statistics relating to this issue are startling. They expose, to borrow a phrase from a former VP you might know, an inconvenient truth: there are more guns in the US and there is more murder because of the availability of guns. You can argue that it is because of the people behind them but in order to believe that you must also believe that Americans are predisposed to be more violent than their counterparts in other industrialized nations. I don't know of anyone who truly believes that. I don't like the idea or "need" for gun control, but it seems like it is the only thing that has any hope of working.

We don't grapple with it in terms of numbers and statistics, we grapple with the principle of regulation based upon blaming the gun and not the individual. The guns are here and unless every singe gun is removed, guns will be a weapon that will kill. Ezra was right in saying there would be a revolution if it comes to turning in your arms and some would love that. Now you do raise a good point that comes first and foremost into many peoples minds and that is that guns kill so lets control the guns. I would go out an a limb and say that 99.9% of legal gun owners see the intended use of a gun as a form of self defense and controlling these guns will effect self defense to a much greater effect of harm than the good.

Let me ask you this, Remember how kids faces were put on milk cartons or at toll booths on interstates? I do and it was a active way to get results. It was practical and effective and loaded with common sense. I see requiring gun owners to attain a education certificate for storage of the weapon and it's amo as a similar tactic to bring real change in how the average gun owner see's his weapon. I mean it is a weapon and capable of killing someone so the owner should be educated in a responsible manner We are required to have a gun secured in a case in transport of a vehicle and if you are pulled over it is often a felony if the gun is not secure. This particular incident has problems riddled within itself. This kid had issues which are the main reason he did what he did. You are correct that these available weapons made it easy for him to carry out his deeds. Mom didn't take serious precaution to prevent the kid from carrying out his deeds. It seems that many factors are involved in this situation and many of the factory could have easily been addressed. My problem with trying to control the guns is that many people are going to die at the hands of armed criminals and stats show that especially in my neighboring town of youth,,Chicago. The media has a field day with sensationalism and reports the issues that tickles our ears just as we like to watch reality shows for example. Most of us liked to watch OCC to see dad and son fight,, it's our nature. The media rarely covers good deeds and if they do it is always a Hollywood star or someone in the light and they are a hero. You never see the humble people who do extraordinary thing but you see all the bad because that make ratings. This event as terrible as it is is a small notch in the everyday violence with guns involved. I am not justifying it in any way but the overall repercussions of control will cause the typical deaths that we never hear about to rise so what is the point to have a knee jerk reaction.

I appreciate your posts very much and you willingness to chat about this but could you respond with your personal opinion on my statements about the root cause beings a morality issue? Here is an overview of my position. Today, the acceptable speech in public is much more vulgar than years ago. The public dress attire is much more revealing (temptation) than years ago along with divorce, unwed mothers, std's, rape. Porn industry in billions of dollars. Violence of all kinds increasing. Alcohole and substance abuse. We now are seeing weed as legal in some states. Can you agree with me that there is a progression of immorality occurring in this country? If so, can you agree with me that these sorts of incidents are also on the rise? Can you agree with me that there could be some coloration between this kids acts that fits in with the overall increase of violence in our country? Can you explain to me why we do not take alcohole off the shelves as it is a major contributor of fatalities in vehicular homicide. Often speed is a player in motor vehicle deaths and yet we build vehicles to exceed the speed limit by huge mph. Is it necessary to produce these toys in such a high performance mode that many people die. All the above mentioned drastically trump the event in CT. By the way, I like fast toys and use this comparison to illustrate my point of person responsibility. I'm also known to have a few brews.

Children were murdered a few days back and God bless all who are in need. I personally, am tore up over it. My wife eyes have been red since the event happened and I just hold her along with my kids. With you understanding my heart I want you to know that yes,, something needs and can be done, I agree with that. The fact the children were involved has drawn much attention and rightfully so but we need to be vary carefully in how we deal with this because across the nation, some where right this very minute, somebody is being assaulted with a illegal gun and odds are a death is occurring as I type. There is a single mom with kids and a home invader crawling through a window carrying a gun ready to steal valuables and will use the gun if cornered or surprised. Do we really want to disarm citizens in some way that will result in defenseless people keeping in mind the number of people dying like the recent event compared to the every day fatalities across the nation. Don't we always say immediately after a crisis to sit back, cool off, morn, regain composure. The sort of suggestions I am hearing (ban assault weapons, as of now) are alarming and an over reaction. Control only address our emotions and overlooks the basis of our ill intentions. We are hearing little to nothing on individual responsibility and I believe that is where we need to focus immediately.
 
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lenny

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You cannot fight evil by handicapping the good guys.
How many soldiers have died in the last 10 years fighting for our freedom? And now we should give up these freedoms? Sounds like a waste to me. Maybe it's about dang time people used that freedom to learn about guns and help protect our innocent.

you just posted the single best thread my friend, thanks

Maybe it's about dang time people used that freedom to learn about guns and help protect our innocent.

Dang that's good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

russholio

Well-known member
Today, the acceptable speech in public is much more vulgar than years ago. The public dress attire is much more revealing (temptation) than years ago along with divorce, unwed mothers, std's, rape. Porn industry in billions of dollars. Violence of all kinds increasing. Alcohole and substance abuse. We now are seeing weed as legal in some states. Can you agree with me that there is a progression of immorality occurring in this country?

You, sir, hit the nail as squarely upon the head as it can be. Along with a decline in personal responsibility, accountability, respect for others, and respect for authority.

With regards to the latter, I'd like to share a little story. Growing up, ever since I can remember, my dad had guns in the house. The long guns (two of which were to be mine when I was old enough to hunt) were kept in a locked cabinet; his loaded .38 was kept in a dresser drawer. I knew where the key to the gun cabinet was. I knew where his revolver was. I knew all this, because he told me. He didn't hide anything from me. He also told me that if I ever wanted to see any of them to come get him, and we'd do so. He showed me how to check them to see if they were loaded (none were, with the exception of the revolver) but to treat them as if they were loaded, how to handle them safely and properly, and to always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. He also told me that if I EVER went behind his back and did any of this without his supervision, the consequences would be swift and severe. And you know what? I didn't. Didn't have to. But more importantly, I think I actually believed that my parents had eyes in the backs of their heads and would somehow know or find out if I did. In short, I feared them and I respected their authority. Now, I'm not suggesting my dad's methods are right for everyone (by today's standards they would be considered unsafe and likely negligent), but you have to remember this was in the 60's and 70's when things like the CT tragedy just didn't happen.

My parents always told me that if I ever got thrown in jail, to not bother calling them because they weren't coming to bail me out. I don't know if they would have or if they wouldn't have, but I believed their word so I never did anything that would land me there. I didn't want to find out. On the other hand, we had a neighbor kid (a few years older than me) that was always getting picked up by the cops for something. They'd bring him home, he'd be swearing at them, and his parents would come out and scream and swear at the cops for picking on their kid! "MY boy wouldn't do that!" Nice example to set. He's probably still acting that way. My parents' mindset was, if the cops were bringing me home (in theory; in practice I never got picked up by the cops), I must have done something wrong.

Sorry my little story got to be a little longer than I intended.....
 

joks79

Member
Lenny,

Well said!

I am educating my two girls (ages 6 and 3) about guns and will continue to do so. I am not teaching them not to be scared of guns.


Maybe we should get rid of the news! They only like to promote the negative in the world!
 

anonomoose

New member
..... The statistics relating to this issue are startling. They expose, ..... an inconvenient truth: there are more guns in the US and there is more murder because of the availability of guns...... gun control, but it seems like it is the only thing that has any hope of working.


So apparently you are swayed by statistics! That's nice and very quantifying....but are you reasonable? How many statistics are kept by crimes that were deter'd by self defense of a crime? How about mixing in the vast number of illegal guns which NO legislation, or gun laws will affect? Does your statistical analysis include any ethnic or certain classes of peoples where it is unpopular to single out? How about the relationship of people living on top of other people in urban areas compared to the folks who live in wide open spaces? There is an endless list of ways to study this but most aren't even touched.

We can go on and on about this...and it really does not accomplish a thing other than you are at least 3 generations out of the need to own a gun (your great grandparents are rolling over right now because nearly everyone owned and used a firearm not that long ago....so your premises that approximation to legally owned weapons is the ONLY obvious reason for these mass killings).

Cause and effect is tough to measure here...and you can see the ink spot differently than I can or a hundred other descriptions. It is the nature of humanity.

Blaming guns for deaths is senseless and avoids the real truths.

Want to really make a difference rather than spouting out funded studies which point at too many guns?

The Kansas City bomber didn't bother with an assault weapon nor did the folks who were poisoned by gas in Toyko a few years back....there is always a means to accomplish the task to make a statement!

We need to take a proactive stance.....we need to spend MONEY to protect kids and people who gather at sport events, and churches and parks.

We need to pick up all the obvious signs of metal illness and work toward special needs to protect the very society that these folks enjoy living in, and protect all the others who live among those who "don't quite fit". So far we spend lots of money seeing about these things....after the fact....most of which exhibited signs of illness and being outright disturbed but HERE TO DATE simply ignored those signs and did absolutely nothing until the "big event".

We need to change the way we make all those things that can kill innocent people more difficult to come by....such as explosives, and fertilizer and diesel fuels which as of right now...you can get at the gas station and feed stores by simply walking in and getting them.

Are YOU ready for all this? Can you afford to pay for all those preventative actions? We are not lemmings that must simply run in whatever direction the rest of the crowd runs....and if we do, expect the very same problems to continue.

The only starling statistics relating to this issue is the number of people who blame the wrong things, fight and continue to ignore the obvious. We are living with a ton of sick people who any one of which could have done the very same things if not even bigger next time.

What about the press in all this....reporting who where when, and interviewing childhood friends and teachers and counselors
and spending huge amounts of time reporting on a senseless crime....clearly and obviously contributes to the next nut case who is waiting for their 15 minutes of fame. If we agreed not to report and cover this sort of crime, maybe half of them would never have occurred at all....and just perhaps we would not plant the seeds for those who are looking to make a splash!

Trying passing legislation on that one!

You can take all the guns away from everyone and it won't prevent a sick society from bubbling up and over flowing death and destruction.

It is an age of awareness....where the sick and getting sicker are regularly ignored, and where someone who needs help and effectively is crying out...gets ignored almost completely. We need to get to the root of the problem and we need to spend money on changing it. Once you accomplish that task, if you can find a way to do it...you will see the senseless killings dwindle down...regardless of the bombs, poisons and weapons available to the public.
 

mjkaliszak

New member
We don't grapple with it in terms of numbers and statistics, we grapple with the principle of regulation based upon blaming the gun and not the individual. The guns are here and unless every singe gun is removed, guns will be a weapon that will kill. Ezra was right in saying there would be a revolution if it comes to turning in your arms and some would love that. Now you do raise a good point that comes first and foremost into many peoples minds and that is that guns kill so lets control the guns. I would go out an a limb and say that 99.9% of legal gun owners see the intended use of a gun as a form of self defense and controlling these guns will effect self defense to a much greater effect of harm than the good.

Let me ask you this, Remember how kids faces were put on milk cartons or at toll booths on interstates? I do and it was a active way to get results. It was practical and effective and loaded with common sense. I see requiring gun owners to attain a education certificate for storage of the weapon and it's amo as a similar tactic to bring real change in how the average gun owner see's his weapon. I mean it is a weapon and capable of killing someone so the owner should be educated in a responsible manner We are required to have a gun secured in a case in transport of a vehicle and if you are pulled over it is often a felony if the gun is not secure. This particular incident has problems riddled within itself. This kid had issues which are the main reason he did what he did. You are correct that these available weapons made it easy for him to carry out his deeds. Mom didn't take serious precaution to prevent the kid from carrying out his deeds. It seems that many factors are involved in this situation and many of the factory could have easily been addressed. My problem with trying to control the guns is that many people are going to die at the hands of armed criminals and stats show that especially in my neighboring town of youth,,Chicago. The media has a field day with sensationalism and reports the issues that tickles our ears just as we like to watch reality shows for example. Most of us liked to watch OCC to see dad and son fight,, it's our nature. The media rarely covers good deeds and if they do it is always a Hollywood star or someone in the light and they are a hero. You never see the humble people who do extraordinary thing but you see all the bad because that make ratings. This event as terrible as it is is a small notch in the everyday violence with guns involved. I am not justifying it in any way but the overall repercussions of control will cause the typical deaths that we never hear about to rise so what is the point to have a knee jerk reaction.

I appreciate your posts very much and you willingness to chat about this but could you respond with your personal opinion on my statements about the root cause beings a morality issue? Here is an overview of my position. Today, the acceptable speech in public is much more vulgar than years ago. The public dress attire is much more revealing (temptation) than years ago along with divorce, unwed mothers, std's, rape. Porn industry in billions of dollars. Violence of all kinds increasing. Alcohole and substance abuse. We now are seeing weed as legal in some states. Can you agree with me that there is a progression of immorality occurring in this country? If so, can you agree with me that these sorts of incidents are also on the rise? Can you agree with me that there could be some coloration between this kids acts that fits in with the overall increase of violence in our country? Can you explain to me why we do not take alcohole off the shelves as it is a major contributor of fatalities in vehicular homicide. Often speed is a player in motor vehicle deaths and yet we build vehicles to exceed the speed limit by huge mph. Is it necessary to produce these toys in such a high performance mode that many people die. All the above mentioned drastically trump the event in CT. By the way, I like fast toys and use this comparison to illustrate my point of person responsibility. I'm also known to have a few brews.

Children were murdered a few days back and God bless all who are in need. I personally, am tore up over it. My wife eyes have been red since the event happened and I just hold her along with my kids. With you understanding my heart I want you to know that yes,, something needs and can be done, I agree with that. The fact the children were involved has drawn much attention and rightfully so but we need to be vary carefully in how we deal with this because across the nation, some where right this very minute, somebody is being assaulted with a illegal gun and odds are a death is occurring as I type. There is a single mom with kids and a home invader crawling through a window carrying a gun ready to steal valuables and will use the gun if cornered or surprised. Do we really want to disarm citizens in some way that will result in defenseless people keeping in mind the number of people dying like the recent event compared to the every day fatalities across the nation. Don't we always say immediately after a crisis to sit back, cool off, morn, regain composure. The sort of suggestions I am hearing (ban assault weapons, as of now) are alarming and an over reaction. Control only address our emotions and overlooks the basis of our ill intentions. We are hearing little to nothing on individual responsibility and I believe that is where we need to focus immediately.

I wish everyone would quite calling them assault weapons. They are weapons for the Warfighter.
That term has always bothered me.
Lenny I'm not picking on your thread, I had another comment about turning in our guns and .... well I will leave that alone.
 

mjkaliszak

New member
In an attempt to beat this thread to death... let me share more of my thoughts from my feeble mind.
1)WE as parents let this happen
2)We stood by as the media, hollywood, and video game makers pumped their crap all over the TV' sets and didn't question the programming or content. In fact we supported this with our money. Making some filthy rich. In fact If I have to watch another erectile disfunction add.... I'm going to blow a gasket. I have never seen so much advertising with questionable content being pumped on prime time tv in all of my days. Not to mention the violence. They make taking human life insignificant... ***
3)WE as parents ( US culture ) didn't spend the time with our children guiding them around all this crapola... We sat there and let the powers to be influence them .
4) We need to stuff this crap right back at hollywood and make them pay by not financially supporting the junk. Not to mention the internet & the information there !!!!!

I hope we GROW from this event. It pains me to watch the childrens faces that have been burried.

5) As a country, we can't condone the breakdown of the family unit. That is where all direction & guidance should come from. WE have failed to raise our kids , why ??? maybe the world has consumed us , maybe a lot of reasons....

For clarification : WE is used in general terms. I do not direct this at anyone specifically. just as an advanced civilization ( United States ) we have been absent when raising our children. They should be the #1 priority of our efforts. ( At least as parents )
I still get back to protecting our schools, we should have started to tighten security after Columbine.

In a nut shell.... these are just some of my views.... OK let me have it should you disagree !
 
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