Harley may leave Milwaukee

Hoosier

Well-known member
Well as DC says, we have met the enemy and it is us! This corporate greed is feeding on itself, but it is also like the fat lady who can't contain herself will eventually die. Why??? Because if you can't sell stuff to the very people you are importing products for, then even if you drop the prices significantly few will be able to buy it. For the life of me this "me now" corporate attitude I can't understand how they sell out their long term sustenance for short term huge profits. It is that simple.

We have to acknowledge places like Germany and France and other industrial nations, who KNOW that if they don't support the product made in THEIR country, then it will soon be lights out, and the unemployment line will build and the next thing that will HAVE to happen is that we will have to tax the crap out of everyone who IS working to support those who can not find a job. How stupid is that??

An answer???

Well, stop supporting companies that employ MONSTER greedy presidents. If you don't buy their products that can't do that can they?

Begin paying very close attention to where something is made. If it is made down around the corner that guy will put money back into YOUR backyard. If it is made in some third world country, it doesn't...and again you are supporting corporate greed....

We have become so used to buying what is cheaper, not always better but cheaper no matter WHERE it is made or more importantly where the money goes after it is made....not back into the area it was sold. This isn't that hard. If you have a company making widgets in your town, buy those widgets even if it cost a few cents more. Why?? Because that company employs workers who live in your neighborhood and they buy products YOU sell...services YOU sell, investing in your neighborhood comes back to you in more ways than one. Your neighbors pay water bills, fuel bills, pay school taxes, the list is very long....You lose all that when you buy something made outside your area.

Once we realize this and be more selective to what we make, what we grow, and what services we provide to one another, then we will turn the corner and watch corporate America fall into line. But as long as we don't, then we support the greed and we are victims of our own crimes.

Final question is...before we imported a bunch of stuff were we doing okay? Maybe it was more expensive, but it was American and it came right back to us. Now we import and BUY, BUY, BUY.....without a thought to what it is doing to us all.

I sure hope we learn this soon...or our grandkids will look back on us as being idiots and WORSE than the grand folks who robbed us in mining, destroyed our Forrest's, and turned the prairies into dust bowls....we will have ransacked this country to a point of near exhaustion.

What we really have to stop is productivity gains! That's what has killed all the jobs! US manufacturing output was at an all-time high immediately before the recession. We make more with fewer inputs. That has cost more jobs than any amount of outsourcing. Same thing that happened decades ago in the agricultural industry has and is happening in the manufacturing world. Quit blaming corp greed. Your 401k and your pension both depend on profits. They are essential for investment.

I am not saying I have the answer, but the key is to move up the chain. If you want to stay in manufacturing, produce something you can't produce elsewhere. The answer sure as heck isn't to be more like Europe. Compare our standards of living to theirs.
 

xcr440

Well-known member
We have to acknowledge places like Germany and France and other industrial nations, who KNOW that if they don't support the product made in THEIR country, then it will soon be lights out, and the unemployment line will build and the next thing that will HAVE to happen is that we will have to tax the crap out of everyone who IS working to support those who can not find a job. How stupid is that??

An answer???

Well, stop supporting companies that employ MONSTER greedy presidents. If you don't buy their products that can't do that can they?

This is one reason I was in support of bailing out the auto manufacturers in this country. Were you one that supported that? I thought it was better to spend out of "our" pockets to keep those jobs in this country.

Problem is with your 2nd statement, we were bailing out the greedy presidents at the same time we were protecting jobs.

Seems like a vicious cycle of circumstances we've put ourselves into.
 

mxz_chris

New member
What we really have to stop is productivity gains! That's what has killed all the jobs! US manufacturing output was at an all-time high immediately before the recession. We make more with fewer inputs. That has cost more jobs than any amount of outsourcing. Same thing that happened decades ago in the agricultural industry has and is happening in the manufacturing world. Quit blaming corp greed. Your 401k and your pension both depend on profits. They are essential for investment.

I am not saying I have the answer, but the key is to move up the chain. If you want to stay in manufacturing, produce something you can't produce elsewhere. The answer sure as heck isn't to be more like Europe. Compare our standards of living to theirs.

You're joking about stopping productivity gains, aren't you? That would just drive up cost, and increase the outsourcing of jobs. I hope you're joking. That's like saying they should make sleds that aren't as reliable so consumers would have to fix them, and replace them more often. How long would you stay in the sport? It would save sled mechanic jobs.
 

Firecatguy

New member
I'm sorry, I get carried away when talking about HD - I hate their product and think its all hype based on loud exhaust and chrome. Any jap bike will blow a HD away on performance. That always seemed odd to me when spending 15 grand on a motorcycle.

!!!!!try looking up who has the record for the pro bikes!!!little group called vance and hines!!!!

here is a recent quote from Hines..........

There's no question I want that Number 1 back on my bike," said Hines, who carried the champion's number plate on his Harley-Davidson® for three consecutive seasons after winning the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle series from 2004 to 2006. Hines finished the 2009 season in third place, with three event wins in four trips to the final round of eliminations.

Andrew Hines knows something about winning, and not just because he's a three-time NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle World Champion. Andrew is the son of Vance & Hines Motorsports co-founder Byron Hines, whose teams have earned 11 national drag racing championships. And his older brother, Matt Hines, also was a three-time Pro Stock Motorcycle champion.


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polarisrider1

New member
you guys and all your harley bashing.i'll play tug of war with any of your jap crap and pull you into the next county.they are loud,thats probably why no one has pulled out in front of me since i switched from a jap bike.if you bash harley you either figured out it's to much bike for you,you got to lippy at a biker fest,you got fired from harley or your a liberal.

You Rock! Glad to have you on my friends list all this time!
 

Hoosier

Well-known member
You're joking about stopping productivity gains, aren't you? That would just drive up cost, and increase the outsourcing of jobs. I hope you're joking. That's like saying they should make sleds that aren't as reliable so consumers would have to fix them, and replace them more often. How long would you stay in the sport? It would save sled mechanic jobs.

Hey, that was a joke. Sorry. Productivity is the job killer (and the only real source of wealth creation) that no one ever mentions.
 

penaltyvectors

New member
Guaranteed. Thats a big word in this day and age. You may want to check in with reality. And maybe the Union can help with your spelling. Nothing is Guaranteed. Not trying to be tough but others are in servival mode and if Walmart is what they are doing to make it than God Bless.




Looks like he's not the only one who needs the Union to spell check his work, lol.
 
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