Here's the New 2017 Ski Doo's

[journeyman]

I'm not saying that's the only thing it will be good at all, not what I meant. But it does seem with Yamaha's marketing thru the whole pre-release with the leave comp in dust slogan and showing how fast it is, leaves me to believe they built it to win drag races and target that market. Heck the whole dealer video was of drag races. Which I like. Honestly if I had millions of dollars I would buy a thundercat. But the 850 is doo's biggest gun and I really think it will be an amazing all around sled, but unlikely to fair very well on the lake against the boosted thumper

I will say this, I am glad all 4 manufacturers are still in it bringing out new innovative machines. With a limited snow belt I could easily see one or more of them throttling back. That would be horrible for the sport. All 4 makers have some really nice stuff. I am willing to bet that if another maker comes with a 4s turbo high performance machine it will be Ski-Doo. They already have the platform. Polaris is the one that does not currently seem to be interested in 4s machines. Now if this sector does take off they might have to be interested.

 

[whitedust]

I will say this, I am glad all 4 manufacturers are still in it bringing out new innovative machines. With a limited snow belt I could easily see one or more of them throttling back. That would be horrible for the sport. All 4 makers have some really nice stuff. I am willing to bet that if another maker comes with a 4s turbo high performance machine it will be Ski-Doo. They already have the platform. Polaris is the one that does not currently seem to be interested in 4s machines. Now if this sector does take off they might have to be interested.

Doo dealers want doo turbo 4s 150HP & so do their customers but engineering not responding something about reducing sales of 800 etecs. I don't agree no 150hp 4s product no product for me.

 

[whitedust]

I'm not saying that's the only thing it will be good at all, not what I meant. But it does seem with Yamaha's marketing thru the whole pre-release with the leave comp in dust slogan and showing how fast it is, leaves me to believe they built it to win drag races and target that market. Heck the whole dealer video was of drag races. Which I like. Honestly if I had millions of dollars I would buy a thundercat. But the 850 is doo's biggest gun and I really think it will be an amazing all around sled, but unlikely to fair very well on the lake against the boosted thumper

Lots of Yamaha faithful are HP junkies but not straightline only riders. Yes many do like to line up and race but sooner or later you have to turn.lol

 

[momoney2123]

Doo dealers want doo turbo 4s 150HP & so do their customers but engineering not responding something about reducing sales of 800 etecs. I don't agree no 150hp 4s product no product for me.

Engineering has the engines...that's a fact. But its not engineerings call on what to bring to production.

With the amount of market share they have, i think they believe its not worth it. They have stated that mach z owners are not only the hardest to please buy also rack up the most warranty claims.

And i would be willing to bet majority of cats warranty claims since 2012 has been on the turbo. I would also bet the majority of warranty claims from MY2017 foward with yamaha will be on the turbo sled. Until yamaha makes a noticeable dent in skidoos market share, unfortunately i dont think doo will get lured in. But i sure hope they doo. #bringbackthemach

 

[old abe]

Hey WD; AmSnow says your Apex, and Vector sleds will probably be around a while. A front end update maybe? A few models, or variations may be gone though. Good luck with you suspension kick issue. Looks to me like your working with all the right people!

 

[xcsp]

Gen4 pics

Some pictures of the Gen4.

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic/1279178-gen-4-pics/

 

[Deleted member 10829]

Couldn't open the pics, must have to be signed in to Dootalk? I sure hope it looks better in person!! Looks more like a bullhead than a carp. A carp's mouth would be where the belly pan is.

 

[momoney2123]

I didnt like the looks at first but they have grown a bunch on me and look awesome in person

The XS looks dated now to me.

 

[whitedust]

Engineering has the engines...that's a fact. But its not engineerings call on what to bring to production.

With the amount of market share they have, i think they believe its not worth it. They have stated that mach z owners are not only the hardest to please buy also rack up the most warranty claims.

And i would be willing to bet majority of cats warranty claims since 2012 has been on the turbo. I would also bet the majority of warranty claims from MY2017 foward with yamaha will be on the turbo sled. Until yamaha makes a noticeable dent in skidoos market share, unfortunately i dont think doo will get lured in. But i sure hope they doo. #bringbackthemach

True 200Hp 4s is more like the Mach than any other market segment but that is not me. 100 & 130hp 4s not at all interesting to me but Renegade & MXZ sleds with 150 HP 4s would get a serious look by me & dealers want it too. To me doo is missing a 150hp 4s from their line & why doo does not fill that hole seems silly to me? Do they really think a long time 4s user will want a 2s 800 or 850 etec? If you are a big mile 4s rider & want to gas & go 2s is not the answer. I think doo knows this but 150 hp from them is stuck with just 2s sleds...disappointing for us 4s riders and can't buy what doo doesn't offer.

 

[whitedust]

Hey WD; AmSnow says your Apex, and Vector sleds will probably be around a while. A front end update maybe? A few models, or variations may be gone though. Good luck with you suspension kick issue. Looks to me like your working with all the right people!

Prolly be replaced with new platform. A new patent showed up on TY using a carbon fiber composite structure & shows 3 & 4 cylinder rear exhaust configurations. Carbon fiber would cut down on weight big time....maybe 2018.

 

[momoney2123]

True 200Hp 4s is more like the Mach than any other market segment but that is not me. 100 & 130hp 4s not at all interesting to me but Renegade & MXZ sleds with 150 HP 4s would get a serious look by me & dealers want it too. To me doo is missing a 150hp 4s from their line & why doo does not fill that hole seems silly to me? Do they really think a long time 4s user will want a 2s 800 or 850 etec? If you are a big mile 4s rider & want to gas & go 2s is not the answer. I think doo knows this but 150 hp from them is stuck with just 2s sleds...disappointing for us 4s riders and can't buy what doo doesn't offer.

I think your def in the minority with that specific request. I agree 150hp is too close to 800-850. The 1200 makes 135-140 with a header and reflash its 150ish. If doo makes a higher power 4s it will be a 190+ class sled like sidewinder id bet.

I will say the 4 stroke forum on dootalk is very loyal to there 4 strokes. Many that said they would never go back to 2s. Well the 850 has brought quiet a few back. Time will tell if the engine as good we think.

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Prolly be replaced with new platform. A new patent showed up on TY using a carbon fiber composite structure & shows 3 & 4 cylinder rear exhaust configurations. Carbon fiber would cut down on weight big time....maybe 2018.

That would be an easy way to cut weight but wonder how it would drive the price up?

 

[whitedust]

I think your def in the minority with that specific request. I agree 150hp is too close to 800-850. The 1200 makes 135-140 with a header and reflash its 150ish. If doo makes a higher power 4s it will be a 190+ class sled like sidewinder id bet.

I will say the 4 stroke forum on dootalk is very loyal to there 4 strokes. Many that said they would never go back to 2s. Well the 850 has brought quiet a few back. Time will tell if the engine as good we think.

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That would be an easy way to cut weight but wonder how it would drive the price up?

The doo 850 & Yamaha carbon fiber composite platform both fall into time will tell tech. I sure hope both come to sucessful friuition as break thru tech. I want a stock 150 hp 4s from doo and they are capable just don't doo it.

 

[momoney2123]

The doo 850 & Yamaha carbon fiber composite platform both fall into time will tell tech. I sure hope both come to sucessful friuition as break thru tech. I want a stock 150 hp 4s from doo and they are capable just don't doo it.

Have you given the 1200 its fair shake? the 16s could pass for 150 hp machine IMO.

 

[Cirrus_Driver]

Engineering has the engines...that's a fact. But its not engineerings call on what to bring to production.

With the amount of market share they have, i think they believe its not worth it. They have stated that mach z owners are not only the hardest to please buy also rack up the most warranty claims.

And i would be willing to bet majority of cats warranty claims since 2012 has been on the turbo. I would also bet the majority of warranty claims from MY2017 foward with yamaha will be on the turbo sled. Until yamaha makes a noticeable dent in skidoos market share, unfortunately i dont think doo will get lured in. But i sure hope they doo. #bringbackthemach

Nailed it. After some major analysis for an entire year (more like 18 months), I think my next sled will be a 1200 shorty - when I find the right deal.

 

[whitedust]

Have you given the 1200 its fair shake? the 16s could pass for 150 hp machine IMO.

Hmmm...why do you say that? Did I miss something?... doo rating 1200 at 150hp for 2017?

 

[momoney2123]

Hmmm...why do you say that? Did I miss something?... doo rating 1200 at 150hp for 2017?

If you havent ridden a 16, i would. The run better and have higher rev limit that previous years along with ITC. If i didnt kno how much horsepower it had, i woulda guessed around 150. Rode one 300 miles this year and was impressed with the power as its only rated at 135.

 

[1fujifilm]

Battery is behind the seat in a plastic enclosure. Right side under the hood is the muffler. Think the reason to move the oil tank was to keep the sled narrow and centralized.

I think you'll really like the new sled, it really looked good in person.

If I was in the market for a new sled in the 800 class, I'd go with it!

Thank you xcxp.

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Engineering has the engines...that's a fact. But its not engineerings call on what to bring to production.

With the amount of market share they have, i think they believe its not worth it. They have stated that mach z owners are not only the hardest to please buy also rack up the most warranty claims.

And i would be willing to bet majority of cats warranty claims since 2012 has been on the turbo. I would also bet the majority of warranty claims from MY2017 foward with yamaha will be on the turbo sled. Until yamaha makes a noticeable dent in skidoos market share, unfortunately i dont think doo will get lured in. But i sure hope they doo. #bringbackthemach

As a Ski-Doo owner I have stated the "real price" of the new 850 Renegade, what is the "real" price of the Sidewinder?

Bear

 

[1fujifilm]

True 200Hp 4s is more like the Mach than any other market segment but that is not me. 100 & 130hp 4s not at all interesting to me but Renegade & MXZ sleds with 150 HP 4s would get a serious look by me & dealers want it too. To me doo is missing a 150hp 4s from their line & why doo does not fill that hole seems silly to me? Do they really think a long time 4s user will want a 2s 800 or 850 etec? If you are a big mile 4s rider & want to gas & go 2s is not the answer. I think doo knows this but 150 hp from them is stuck with just 2s sleds...disappointing for us 4s riders and can't buy what doo doesn't offer.

Interesting challenge of the question.
My 16 Renegade 600 E-tec (once broken in with about 290 miles) went four usable tanks of gas without having to fill the oil, to me that was a nice perk for a 2 stroke owner. I am VERY interested to see how the oil consumption is in the 850 once broken in. Seems like the quote is "40% better than the current 800 Ski-Doo". It is amazing to me as I remember mixing oil/gas back in the day at 40-1. and even 20-1 on dirt bikes (if I remember correct).

To me this "almost" as convenient as a 4 stroke, plus no oil changes and I can hit the "winterize" button for storage for free. Hope the 850 has it too.

Bear

 

[whitedust]

Interesting challenge of the question.
My 16 Renegade 600 E-tec (once broken in with about 290 miles) went four usable tanks of gas without having to fill the oil, to me that was a nice perk for a 2 stroke owner. I am VERY interested to see how the oil consumption is in the 850 once broken in. Seems like the quote is "40% better than the current 800 Ski-Doo". It is amazing to me as I remember mixing oil/gas back in the day at 40-1. and even 20-1 on dirt bikes (if I remember correct).

To me this "almost" as convenient as a 4 stroke, plus no oil changes and I can hit the "winterize" button for storage for free. Hope the 850 has it too.

Bear

Adding 2s oil should not be too difficult as 850 sips oil. It is more of a concern as well with all 2s vs 4s when miles mount up towards 10K what happens then? 4s are just breezing along 2s are looking at some serious rebuilding. No idea how long 850 can go at this point in its' life before it needs rebuilding but doo left impression it would be more robust than etec.

 

[indy_500]

It is more of a concern as well with all 2s vs 4s when miles mount up towards 10K what happens then?

And what shape is the rest of the sled in? Before my off trail days, I usually pushed my sleds until 8k miles before I dumped them, and the entire thing was trashed by then. If you can ride easy enough to make a sled last 10k miles and still be worth something good for you, but at 10k, I'd have gone through 2 tracks, 2 sets of skis, every pivot shaft would have been replaced already, 3rd set of driveline bearings, 2nd set of bogey bearings, probably 2 sets of bogey wheels, after being rebuilt 3 times the shocks would probably have nothing left, All of the rod ends/ball joints would have 1/4" play in them, I see no point in buying a sled thinking your end goal is to run it over 10k miles. Sure you can maintain it but by the time you add cost of parts, and depreciation, you might as well buy new well before 10k miles...