I have a question to both naysayers and sayers

snobuilder

Well-known member
so what??? they don't go to hospital all at once??? so if all these people showed up at hospital at one time we would take notice to something that kills up to 650,000 people a year? and because they don't its ok and there is no reason for us to react as we are now? so basically since the flu "Virus" kills gradually there is no need for alarm? and this occurs year after year after year, just think how much smaller the number could be if we reacted in the same way....or should I say overreacted.

LIKE.
do the math..... the regular flu cases are a huge number, and so far, even with all the hype the c-19 virus won't come close, yet we are hearing of hysteria about not having enough hospital beds....hypothetically , of course....

and when the numbers pale in comparison months from now all of the crisis cryers will say thank gaws we rected like we did....heroes is us.
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
so what??? they don't go to hospital all at once??? so if all these people showed up at hospital at one time we would take notice to something that kills up to 650,000 people a year? and because they don't its ok and there is no reason for us to react as we are now? so basically since the flu "Virus" kills gradually there is no need for alarm? and this occurs year after year after year, just think how much smaller the number could be if we reacted in the same way....or should I say overreacted.

Actually, you are correct. The "alarm" you are referring to is the inability of our health care system to handle a major crisis of patients from any cause.

Think about the healthcare system as a freeway, patients go in, patients go out, people get treated. The cars keep moving. If you slam the freeway with a quarter million cars all at once, it stops. It breaks. That is the crisis, the numbers of people needing care at one time. It is not an infinite resource. There are only so many beds, masks, doctors, and hospitals. When they are full people don't get care. It's a capacity issue. Regardless of the cause.

So the number of people dying from the flu is a totally irrelevant argument. Yeah, it's a shame they died, but like the cars on the freeway, the system can handle the people. If you get sick you need care. If the hospital is full you won't get it. That's the threat, so many people will need care at one time the system will break for all of us...covid 19 sufferers, heart attacks, gun shots, cancer, etc.

Flu patients get treatment. There are shots, vaccines, hospital beds and doctors. Just like heart attacks, cancer, and car accidents some will die. But they got treatment. The system worked. It's still under capacity.

The health care system is just another factory that only has so much capacity. Once the factory is full, that's it.
 

snobuilder

Well-known member
Actually, you are correct. The "alarm" you are referring to is the inability of our health care system to handle a major crisis of patients from any cause.

Think about the healthcare system as a freeway, patients go in, patients go out, people get treated. The cars keep moving. If you slam the freeway with a quarter million cars all at once, it stops. It breaks. That is the crisis, the numbers of people needing care at one time. It is not an infinite resource. There are only so many beds, masks, doctors, and hospitals. When they are full people don't get care. It's a capacity issue. Regardless of the cause.

So the number of people dying from the flu is a totally irrelevant argument. Yeah, it's a shame they died, but like the cars on the freeway, the system can handle the people. If you get sick you need care. If the hospital is full you won't get it. That's the threat, so many people will need care at one time the system will break for all of us...covid 19 sufferers, heart attacks, gun shots, cancer, etc.

Flu patients get treatment. There are shots, vaccines, hospital beds and doctors. Just like heart attacks, cancer, and car accidents some will die. But they got treatment. The system worked. It's still under capacity.

The health care system is just another factory that only has so much capacity. Once the factory is full, that's it.

explain your ifs....sounds like the man made global warming, climate change allarmists....IF, IF,.IF,.IF
What if no TP is ever produced again...what IF <if< if<="" html=""></if<>
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
Actually, you are correct. The "alarm" you are referring to is the inability of our health care system to handle a major crisis of patients from any cause.

Think about the healthcare system as a freeway, patients go in, patients go out, people get treated. The cars keep moving. If you slam the freeway with a quarter million cars all at once, it stops. It breaks. That is the crisis, the numbers of people needing care at one time. It is not an infinite resource. There are only so many beds, masks, doctors, and hospitals. When they are full people don't get care. It's a capacity issue. Regardless of the cause.

So the number of people dying from the flu is a totally irrelevant argument. Yeah, it's a shame they died, but like the cars on the freeway, the system can handle the people. If you get sick you need care. If the hospital is full you won't get it. That's the threat, so many people will need care at one time the system will break for all of us...covid 19 sufferers, heart attacks, gun shots, cancer, etc.

Flu patients get treatment. There are shots, vaccines, hospital beds and doctors. Just like heart attacks, cancer, and car accidents some will die. But they got treatment. The system worked. It's still under capacity.

The health care system is just another factory that only has so much capacity. Once the factory is full, that's it.

In Racine county where I live one of the hospital systems is looking for donations of medical protection supplies i.e. masks, gowns, sanitizers. Its not just here in Racine either this hospital system as a whole in this state is looking for it as they are experiencing a shortage, here we only have 4 confirmed cases and im not sure how we can be short on supplies? some of these nursing homes and assisted living places are contracting virus via care takers. I under stand the deluge that may occur as result of in the next few weeks but even before that hits it is apparently clear that we are and clearly have never been prepared for a crisis as a whole. For those that support the stay put orders that are being put in place.... how are we going to decide when it is ok to restart and lift the order especially when even now we are very un sure how much of the population even has it,
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
LIKE.
do the math..... the regular flu cases are a huge number, and so far, even with all the hype the c-19 virus won't come close, yet we are hearing of hysteria about not having enough hospital beds....hypothetically , of course....

and when the numbers pale in comparison months from now all of the crisis cryers will say thank gaws we rected like we did....heroes is us.

Agreed completely!! We dont even know how many accurately have it and we will never know, but you are correct if we play this out with far less fatality numbers that the common flu, the crisis criers will stand tall and say see IT WORKED! even though we have absolutely no idea of how many people actually have this, how many people have it and survived. And like I stated in another post I want to know when the magical period of time will elapse when it is safe to lift orders when again we don't know at all how many people have it, how are these geniuses going to determine that?
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
explain your ifs....sounds like the man made global warming, climate change allarmists....IF, IF,.IF,.IF
What if no TP is ever produced again...what IF <if< if<="" html=""></if<>[/QUOTe

Sure, I can explain the ifs easily...IF THE HOSPITAL IS FULL THEN YOU DONT GET TREATMENT.

simple
 

united

Active member
There are supposed to be several new ways to test on the way. Including much faster and also self testing.
 

xcr440

Well-known member
There are supposed to be several new ways to test on the way. Including much faster and also self testing.

I didn't hear self testing - self swabbing and sending in the sample to be tested is what I understand it to be.
 

snowdance

Member
I will admit I was a fox news watcher until this came about and the final draw was when bars and restaurants were ordered to close and they made themselves the police to this order and sent out their anchor people out to find out who was and who wasn't following the order and then making a news story about the one they found who didn't, i hope they were proud of themselves and I have to laugh though when they interviewed the owner, his response was that of which i'm sure was the opinion of most level headed people. Fox news...no thanks!

I assume you're referring to Saloon on Calhoun? They got some very good and very bad publicity all in one shot, just depended which side of the fence you're on. I like that that stayed open.
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
I assume you're referring to Saloon on Calhoun? They got some very good and very bad publicity all in one shot, just depended which side of the fence you're on. I like that that stayed open.

Agreed! and I think a majority of the society outside of the doomsday preppers felt the same way.
Don't know if it is true or not as I haven't researched it but one of my customers this morning stated that he had heard that China and South Korea are starting to shut down covid-19 response medical units as the cases of new infection had either dropped significantly or stopped, not so sure if they can be trusted as who knows how long they actually had it before reporting it in the first place, if it is true this is very good news and should give some indication of duration and how long we may potentially have to deal with this.
 

old abe

Well-known member
I will admit I was a fox news watcher until this came about and the final draw was when bars and restaurants were ordered to close and they made themselves the police to this order and sent out their anchor people out to find out who was and who wasn't following the order and then making a news story about the one they found who didn't, i hope they were proud of themselves and I have to laugh though when they interviewed the owner, his response was that of which im sure was the opinion of most level headed people. Fox news...no thanks!

Agree with all! This deal did it in for us also. My wife couldn't believe how knowingly duplicitous most had become on FOX. Wallace is all that's left on FOX. Sad.
 
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timo

Well-known member
Every state will eventually follow. Once an entity gets the boat rocking they all follow suit. First it was sporting events,,, then schools,,, bar restaurants,, now entire states.

At some point our "leaders" in the country are going to have to take a hard look and ask themselves, is this all worth it?
6 months from now when our economy is destroyed,,, suicides are up 2000%, foreclosures up 2000%, unemployment at 25%. Millions of small business go extinct for good, Our GDP is 40% of what it was. Was it all worth it?




Wisconsin closing all non essential businesses Tuesday...….YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!!
 
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