I have a question to both naysayers and sayers

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timo said:
Every state will eventually follow. Once an entity gets the boat rocking they all follow suit. First it was sporting events,,, then schools,,, bar restaurants,, now entire states.

At some point our "leaders" in the country are going to have to take a hard look and ask themselves, is this all worth it?
6 months from now when our economy is destroyed,,, suicides are up 2000%, foreclosures up 2000%, unemployment at 25%. Millions of small business go extinct for good, Our GDP is 40% of what it was. Was it all worth it?
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No it is not worth ruining everything. Plus it is already too late anyway. It is airborne and it is all over. There never was a way to stop it. Everybody will get it and the vast majority will come out of it just fine. Just like the swine flu. Just like H1N1. Just like any other Corona virus. The only difference this time is that the economy will be ruined because of the hysteria the media generated. The mortality rate will be the same as it would have been without all this commotion. But the economy won't.
 
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euphoric1

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We tried calling the number it said to call on the government covid site to find out where we fell in necessity business and low and behold....that office was closed and the lady who answered was from the insurance side of it, tried to help us but couldn't really answer...surprise surprise. Sorry folks but I'm still going to work.
 
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timo

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yet Wisconsin primary on the 7th is a go LOL,,,,
Never mind 98 % of the volunteers at the polling station are over 65
Seriously I can't make this **** up
 
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IF I were in the nursing home and IF I am never going to get out of the nursing home IF I can no longer eat the stuff I like to eat and IF I am never going to get laid again and IF I am never going to go to my favorite bar and hang out with my buddies because they are already dead and IF I can't ever ride my snowmobile again and my stupid children could have gotten a lot more for my last snowmobile when they sold it. I would say bring on this big bad conoravirus.
 
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euphoric1

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Question... Each year you go for a flu shot you are receiving and injection for a strain of flu virus that is essentially a best scientific guess by the CDC or WHO correct? And we have had years where the injection has provided little of none protection against the strain of virus that makes itself present for that flu season, so there is no generic injection that will protect you against all possible strains of the flu. The word as a whole is working feverishly to develop a vaccine against the covid-19 virus as we speak, Since there are so many strains of the flu out there can you get vaccinated for more than one strain? or just the best guessed one put forward by the CDC o WHO. My question is if does anyone know if you can be vaccinated for multiple strains? if you cant what do we do next flu season, if you cant what do we do as i'm sure covid-19 will never completely go away, do we vaccinate against covid-19 or the common influenza and let one or the othe run rampid and again do we react in the same manor, or what if covid-19 morphs into something else like other strains of flu have, do we react the same?
 
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DamageInc

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euphoric1 said:
Question... Each year you go for a flu shot you are receiving and injection for a strain of flu virus that is essentially a best scientific guess by the CDC or WHO correct? And we have had years where the injection has provided little of none protection against the strain of virus that makes itself present for that flu season, so there is no generic injection that will protect you against all possible strains of the flu. The word as a whole is working feverishly to develop a vaccine against the covid-19 virus as we speak, Since there are so many strains of the flu out there can you get vaccinated for more than one strain? or just the best guessed one put forward by the CDC o WHO. My question is if does anyone know if you can be vaccinated for multiple strains? if you cant what do we do next flu season, if you cant what do we do as i'm sure covid-19 will never completely go away, do we vaccinate against covid-19 or the common influenza and let one or the othe run rampid and again do we react in the same manor, or what if covid-19 morphs into something else like other strains of flu have, do we react the same?
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There are already at least two strains of SARS-CoV-2.

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

Population genetic analyses of 103 SARS-CoV-2 genomes indicated that these viruses evolved into two major types (designated L and S), that are well defined by two different SNPs that show nearly complete linkage across the viral strains sequenced to date. Although the L type (∼70%) is more prevalent than the S type (∼30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020.
 
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dcsnomo

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euphoric1 said:
Question... Each year you go for a flu shot you are receiving and injection for a strain of flu virus that is essentially a best scientific guess by the CDC or WHO correct? And we have had years where the injection has provided little of none protection against the strain of virus that makes itself present for that flu season, so there is no generic injection that will protect you against all possible strains of the flu. The word as a whole is working feverishly to develop a vaccine against the covid-19 virus as we speak, Since there are so many strains of the flu out there can you get vaccinated for more than one strain? or just the best guessed one put forward by the CDC o WHO. My question is if does anyone know if you can be vaccinated for multiple strains? if you cant what do we do next flu season, if you cant what do we do as i'm sure covid-19 will never completely go away, do we vaccinate against covid-19 or the common influenza and let one or the othe run rampid and again do we react in the same manor, or what if covid-19 morphs into something else like other strains of flu have, do we react the same?
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I am not a scientist, but I read that the flu virus mutates, thus requiring annual shots to address the strain expected for the oncoming season. So far, the Covid-19 virus has not mutated significantly, and if this continues a vaccine once in your life (like the polio vaccine) would be effective.

Again, I am not a scientist, just relaying an article I read. I yield to those who know more.
 
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dcsnomo said:
I am not a scientist, but I read that the flu virus mutates, thus requiring annual shots to address the strain expected for the oncoming season. So far, the Covid-19 virus has not mutated significantly, and if this continues a vaccine once in your life (like the polio vaccine) would be effective.

Again, I am not a scientist, just relaying an article I read. I yield to those who know more.
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First of all, the virus HAS already evolved, and there are at least two distinct strains in circulation. See previous post.

Second, immunity to Corona viruses usually does not last for long. If they do develop an effective vaccine (for the new virus, SARS-CoV-2), it might only give immunity for a few months or a few years. It almost certainly will not give lifetime immunity. In testing of people who had the first SARS virus in 2003, they found that antibodies were still present after two years, but dropped off sharply in the third year. It is entirely possible that people who have recovered from COVID-19 will be susceptible to it again in a few years. And they never did develop an effective vaccine to the first SARS, which should tell you a lot about how difficult it is. SARS-CoV-2 shares about 90% of it's DNA with the SARS-CoV, so they are very similar.

On a related note, when they were attempting to develop a vaccine for the first SARS, one of their vaccines resulted in liver failure and death in the test animals (after exposure to the live virus). Do you want to be a guinea pig for human trials? I'll take my chances with the virus.
 
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DamageInc said:
First of all, the virus HAS already evolved, and there are at least two distinct strains in circulation. See previous post.

Second, immunity to Corona viruses usually does not last for long. If they do develop an effective vaccine (for the new virus, SARS-CoV-2), it might only give immunity for a few months or a few years. It almost certainly will not give lifetime immunity. In testing of people who had the first SARS virus in 2003, they found that antibodies were still present after two years, but dropped off sharply in the third year. It is entirely possible that people who have recovered from COVID-19 will be susceptible to it again in a few years. And they never did develop an effective vaccine to the first SARS, which should tell you a lot about how difficult it is. SARS-CoV-2 shares about 90% of it's DNA with the SARS-CoV, so they are very similar.

On a related note, when they were attempting to develop a vaccine for the first SARS, one of their vaccines resulted in liver failure and death in the test animals (after exposure to the live virus). Do you want to be a guinea pig for human trials? I'll take my chances with the virus.
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What I read is that a SARS vaccine was ready to go into human trials in 2016, but there was not enough interest/financial support for the trial to happen since it had been 13 years since anyone had contracted SARS.
 
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