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thebluff

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It's been 19 years as a yooper now. Most involved with this community. Met many top end people and made lifelong friends.

Most years I make a post about the part of this community that rides wherever the heck they want. 19 years ago I had sledders tell me they save all year to come her and I should shut up because they are gonna do as they please.

The last 8 yrs I've not been a provider to the group. This allows me to speak up even louder that before.

Notice! You can't ride wherever the Hell you want. Stay on marked trails or private property you've taken time to secure.

That means in town and out of town. You are not okay to follow others tracks. You aren't excused by not being sure.

Stay in the damn trail. Some streets are trails...use them. Parking lots and private property aren't fair targets....I don't give a crap if you didn't know.

6 sleds so far today. 1st of the year. All drove past very well marked signs letting them know they aren't welcome here. But at 20 mph....who cares, right

My cameras didn't grab you for some reason tonight but I will post everyone this year.

1st 6 today. That's the start of 10+ weeks of my yard being unusable for my grandkids. If I could catch you, I would.

It's not a street or a designated trail so stay the Hell out. Turn around somewhere else.

If I happen upon you in the act...you will either face me or have to run me over.

We live in the age of google. Know where the Hell you are going.

BTW, already seen trail issues this year for the same reason. Grow up
 
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thebluff

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I should add that when I do encounter you on my clearly not trail and clearly not public public property...I'm met with vulgar and inconsiderate. I'm not talking about 1-2 times a season....the next few months, depending on conditions, will have 5 to 50 of you every f-ing day in my yard. Thus grands can't play here.

Behave.
 
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jr37

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Snowmobilers are their own worst enemy. I can't believe that more trails aren't closed permanently every year. I've been riding my entire life. If a trail crossed my property, there would only be 1 bad apple to make my decision. Not only is it lack of snow ruining our sport, it's self entitled assholes. I don't blame anyone for closing trails or being upset about trespassers. It won't get better until landowners follow through on their threats.
 
dfattack

dfattack

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While I completely understand what you are experiencing...on this site you are preaching to the choir and I would bet 99% of us on this site would not do anything as you suggest. Therefore, maybe not direct your anger at us but if you are simply venting which is possible then vent away. I will be the first to support you in your quest to nab the butt holes.
 
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thebluff

Member
dfattack said:
While I completely understand what you are experiencing...on this site you are preaching to the choir and I would bet 99% of us on this site would not do anything as you suggest. Therefore, maybe not direct your anger at us but if you are simply venting which is possible then vent away. I will be the first to support you in your quest to nab the butt holes.
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I'd go for 92%. Lol
 
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euphoric1

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whitedust said:
I would spend the money to block access to private land one shitbird is one too many.
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so the land owner should spend the money to prevent trespassers? I disagree and expecting the land owner to handle the trespassing issue, when agreeing to limited marked access to their property. the expectation falls solely on us to respect the land owners. If I had trails running across my property and people continuously trespassed and someone were to approach me and say "I need to do something about the people leaving trail or trespassing" you can bet what the first thing would be to go. Its plain and simple respect and not entitlement. There is a four letter word it seems many in our sport just dont understand.... STAY... whether it be "stay right" or "stay on trail" for some reason the "stay" part is not part of their vocabulary, and I think people are becoming less and less tolerant of it, I dont blame them either, and the same goes for some riders who entitlement is reaching a new level.
 
favoritos

favoritos

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rp7x said:
sorry , more than likely local people making tracks then everyone follows
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That is possible.
We stop at a place where the owners are not riders. Their place is off the beaten path in the woods. We intentionally take the road and driveway into the cabin so others do not "follow" tracks we'd make by cutting through the woods.

This subject comes up quite often and I sure don't know of an easy cure. It's not limited to sleds. We have similar problems on some properties that never see snowmobiles. I've found people wandering around that have no business being there. In most cases they already know and just can't resist the urge. I do my best to thin the traffic and live with those that keep coming. That is harder with snowmobiles. As mentioned, people will follow tracks. They'll even follow tracks past private no go signs, and around closed gates.

One oddity that seems more common lately are those little airplane sized booze bottles dropped along the way. I see those on multiple properties. I guess they're not showing up to throw parties like the old days.
 
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old abe

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rp7x said:
i dont think there is any trail on his property people just looking to cut through his land
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It sure seems this continues to become worse by the year. Seems to me that there is a whole lot more that Law Enforcement could be doing on this issue? I don't like opening a can of worms here, but there are plenty of places they could easily watch, and charge the violators for trespassing. In our world today, word travels fast. Like speak loudly, and issue violators tickets as warranted. When these brainless, arrogant, a-hole jerks have to travel back to pay their justly charged dues, fines, perhaps they'll start thinking differently. And if that keeps them from coming back to ride, so be it! No loss there.
 
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whitedust

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euphoric1 said:
so the land owner should spend the money to prevent trespassers? I disagree and expecting the land owner to handle the trespassing issue, when agreeing to limited marked access to their property. the expectation falls solely on us to respect the land owners. If I had trails running across my property and people continuously trespassed and someone were to approach me and say "I need to do something about the people leaving trail or trespassing" you can bet what the first thing would be to go. Its plain and simple respect and not entitlement. There is a four letter word it seems many in our sport just dont understand.... STAY... whether it be "stay right" or "stay on trail" for some reason the "stay" part is not part of their vocabulary, and I think people are becoming less and less tolerant of it, I dont blame them either, and the same goes for some riders who entitlement is reaching a new level.
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There is no trail running thru his property just trespassers on sleds so imo protect yourself post signs put up barriers. I believe he already has cameras. This trespassing has been ongoing for years don’t t know if new trespassers or same old same old. I marked my private property in Phelps with trail markers for a trail to the lake and invited the neighbors to use it. One neighbor treated it as a loop trail coming by every few minutes so I stopped him said he has permission to use my property for lake access not a loop trail he apologized the abuse stopped. The moral of the story is there will always be stupid people confront personal trespassers if you can usually an apology and the trespassing stops. Most don’t go thru barriers in my experience.
 
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euphoric1

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rp7x said:
i dont think there is any trail on his property people just looking to cut through his land
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I wasn't referring to him as having a trail through "his" land, just referring to landowners as a whole, I truly think it is pathetic that they need to spend more money or take further steps other than signage to deter trespassing, in the end it comes down to entitlement and lack of respect, and guess what? trail access or not, the patience level of toleration ( which there shouldn't even be any) of trespassing is causing loss of land access for whatever it may be and loss of trails as result of which seems to be the biggest reason for it and will in the end affect further access.
 
eagle1

eagle1

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Can we have the general area so we can check out what's happening?? Did you contact the town or snowmobile club for assistance in this matter?? Can't be coincidence this keeps happening to you.
 
indy_500

indy_500

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Personally I think this is a problem with locals in his specific area… a number of years ago I stopped some young teenage kids running rampant in the fields south of Mass towards Rousseau, right next to the stay on trail signs. Their response “we’ve always ridden here” and took off
 
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whitedust

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indy_500 said:
Personally I think this is a problem with locals in his specific area… a number of years ago I stopped some young teenage kids running rampant in the fields south of Mass towards Rousseau, right next to the stay on trail signs. Their response “we’ve always ridden here” and took off
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Yep in my experience peeps don’t want to hear anything about letting you pass, trespassing or really anything about where and how they ride. I gave up on that years and years ago. Some even get pissed off they are angry before you approach them. Forget it I’m out to have a good time not police other riders that don’t want to hear it. Too upsetting not worth it. Buds told me don’t do it they are idiots , might be drunk , crazy, who knows hard headed me had to try found out for myself a waste of time and emotion.
 
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rp7x

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where in indy is talking about south of mass is locals riding some of the fields becauset they live near by , i am confused about the stay on trail signs there
 
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