People people, clearly the person at the MDNR that thought this was a good idea is obviously a Star Wars freak. He wants us to "feel the Force" around the the turn therefore there is no need for the signs. Learn you must. Go to the center of gravity's pull and find your curve you will.
Michigan removing turn ahead signs
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Obriengotwake
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Do people now realize that it has little to do with the signs on the trail. It is driving to fast for conditions plain and simple. We just lost another one in Keweenaw County. I was out today and some people have no regard for others. I could care less if they don't care enough about themselves of their family but many other families use the trails too. I am sick and tired of oncoming sleds going by and not slowing down. If you wanna run 60 plus get off the damn trail and hit the lakes. Everyone be safe out there and respect other riders/property. We are losing the family aspect, I know if i had kids they would not be on the trails on a weekend. Enjoy the trail. Take time to relax and enjoy. Sorry for my soap box moment.
What you want in trail riding is simply not reality. It's not necessarily meant just for family riding. Although some use it for that, there's probably many more that don't. I know that I don't. I just ride with buddies. My fiancé does ride with me too so I guess I do use it for family if that counts. I don't drink and ride and I do try to slow down a bit when I pass oncomers. It's kind of like driving a car in bad weather; you may be doing everything right but you have to watch out for the other guy. None of it is really 'safe.'
Obriengotwake
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Under 60 is not a reality. WOW!!! I ride with a group of guys as well but just being male does not mean i need to ride at 100 down a 10 ft wide trail or that I have the ability to do so. Today riders seem to be all about miles and speed. Not stopping at stop signs, not slowing down for sleds just off the trail or congested areas, passing somebody who is doing 55 is just a lack of respect. The other problem is that in groups many don't ride at the level of the person with the least ability, and it is just human nature to keep up. Not everybody has to hang back but at least someone should.
Yes it's not reality because that's not how it is...period. Not everyone rides like you. There's nothing anywhere that states anything about riding 55 either. You can't just make your own rules and expect others to know and agree with them. Why is it disrespectful to pass when you're going 55? Others want to ride a lot faster and they can do it safely.
The trails are for every rider. The rules are to be at a safe amount of speed. There is nothing in stone about that in MI.
I see your viewpoint. Try to look at different viewpoints before you get so bent out of shape.
The trails are for every rider. The rules are to be at a safe amount of speed. There is nothing in stone about that in MI.
I see your viewpoint. Try to look at different viewpoints before you get so bent out of shape.
Riding this weekend I was trying to imagine no arrow signs and kept thinking there is no way to eliminate "all" of them. Too many folks would get lost and others would totally miss a turn and go staright before realizing they are no longer on the trail.
Also heard the automakers are eliminating seatbelts to save money. They believe people will slow down on the roads and will not need the extra safety anymore....at least after their first accident they will slow down.
Also heard the automakers are eliminating seatbelts to save money. They believe people will slow down on the roads and will not need the extra safety anymore....at least after their first accident they will slow down.
X2 if riding 55 on a grade on a weekend your are in the way & going to get blown off the grade. Sled tech handles that like gliding on a cloud. Some older iron is way out classed these days. Sad to say but slower riders need to go to areas that are less traveled more safe for everyone. Just saying this is the way it is now days with snow in only one area UP & WI.
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So.... what we're saying is, families, people that cant afford newer sleds, and noobs learning to ride, are no longer welcome on the trails and are a hazard to everyone and should stay home, or should only be allowed to ride in non peak times? Is this what this sport has really become, just so others dont have to slow down once in a while?
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So.... what your saying is, families, people that cant afford newer sleds, and noobs learning to ride, are no longer welcome on the trails and are a hazard to everyone and should stay home? Or should only be alowed to ride in non peak times? Is this what this sport has really become? Just so others dont have to slow down once in a while?
You know me better that that all peeps are welcome anytime on all trails. But it is what it is this year everyone consentrated in one area & those who go slower are going to be passed. I accept the speed & pace & when I want a change I go to trails that you can not speed on..... those areas are there too. I know peeps who can't drive cars on Interstates so take other routes just saying there or ways for everyone to have fun & avoid the speed areas. Polarice tried to point out = rights for everyone & I agree with that. Those that can't accept the reality of speed & right to do so will always complain & their right to do so. I don't ride on weekends because I don't want to deal with with speed & traffic so I make my adjustments too. Just the way it it is so I take a different approach when I have too for many reasons. Never ever going to be a day on the trail that suits everyone which is Aok with me & I always try to make the best of it what else can you do? The modet T can drive same roads as latest sedan but come on totally out classed & going to get passed when conditions allow. ER is a great place for old iron trailing arm stuff but way out classed on wide open UP trails. They can ride when & where ever they want but hopelessly out classed by newer tech & are going to be passed. IMO I would go where I know I'm not out classed. Again just saying there are ways we can all have fun if you make the correct choices.
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You know me better that that all peeps are welcome anytime on all trails. But it is what it is this year everyone consentrated in one area & those who go slower are going to be passed. I accept the speed & pace & when I want a change I go to trails that you can not speed on..... those areas are there too. I know peeps who can't drive cars on Interstates so take other routes just saying there or ways for everyone to have fun & avoid the speed areas. Polarice tried to point out = rights for everyone & I agree with that. Those that can't accept the reality of speed & right to do so will always complain & their right to do so. I don't ride on weekends because I don't want to deal with with speed & traffic so I make my adjustments too. Just the way it it is so I take a different approach when I have too for many reasons. Never ever going to be a day on the trail that suits everyone which is Aok with me & I always try to make the best of it what else can you do? The modet T can drive same roads as latest sedan but come on totally out classed & going to get passed when conditions allow. ER is a great place for old iron trailing arm stuff but way out classed on wide open UP trails. They can ride when & where ever they want but hopelessly out classed by newer tech & are going to be passed. IMO I would go where I know I'm not out classed. Again just saying there are ways we can all have fun if you make the correct choices.
Didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out. But it does seem like this sport has gone in a direction that is leaving many behind. Those of us who have newer sleds that can run a railroad grade at 70+ with one hand I guess are lucky, but not everyone can. I actually smile when we catch up to a family group, and I'll wait till they stop or move over before I pass. I think its great to see families out and having fun. But I also notice that its not as common as it used to be, and to me that's sad.
I for one don't think it's too great to see a family of 20 sleds. If you got a ways to go to get to a stop sign and these guys are putting at 25mph I just can't wait to pass them! I won't just pass 20 people because that is super dangerous. Just thought I'd give another perspective.
It has changed & me with it! Recently told my wife, she does not ride anymore, we would not take the the family to the old UP stomping grounds any longer we would have to go to ER better place for newbies & families. I know you well enough that you would not take a rookie on Trail 3 between Mass City & Houghton on a busy weekend just not a good idea because pace way to fast & going to be swarmed by sleds & snodust. ER 1 way trails better suited for that until you have some seat time & skill. The 1 theme I keep stressing is make the correct trail choices for traffic & conditions & all is good. Get the model T in the middle of the race way & there will be problems so don't go there & exspect a different outcome. Do it once & you will learn quickly to ride faster or find trails where pace is slower.
Wow, its too bad all riders cannot afford the $10K plus machines to ride 100mph down a railroad grade without being worried about being blown off the trail by fools who need to run like that.
I guess we do need more signs telling those with older, trailing arm machines to stay off the rail grades, or stay home.
That's the ticket...... What a bunch of BS. This is the EXACT reason why MN has implemented a 24 hour 50 mph speed limit, because fools that ride and make comments like this are a danger to the rest, sign or no sign. Keep it up, WI and MI will do the same thing for this exact reason: Families trying to enjoy the sport DO NOT want to be run off the trail by 100mph riders.
Yep I exspect daytime speed limits soon in MI bound to happen again just the way it is & may be needed. Problem is then how do you enforce? Sport is changing for sure & may need speed limits since high speed is a problem for many riders. For me not a problem I will always find away to ride & have fun.
Its simple, they set speed traps, just like they do on the highways.
Yep ok for some areas to measure off distance for speed gun but going to cost a lot to enforce state wide. Makes no difference to me as I can ride where no one else goes & so no hassles & willing to obey speed limits when necessary. To me the glass is always 1/2 full & always a way to enjoy the sport in many ways. Trail riding on main trails just 1 thing to do on any given day so I have many choices not a 1 trick pony so speed limits AOk if that is what is needed.
My solution is, and has been for most of my riding career, to ride only during the week and forget the weekends. Getting hit once cured me of any desire to ride weekends (with a couple rare exceptions). I can pretty much ride where I want, at whatever pace I want. Unfortunately, many people don't have this option (unfortunate for them, but fortunate for me).
It's all good no problem you have to go back many posts to a get the feel of my true opinion. For me I can ride anytime so whatever is lawful is aok with me. I like signs & if a speed limit is mandated I will obey. Older iron is going to have trouble keeping current trail pace with all the new stuff. Pretty logical really like I would not take my boat in waters where the waves are too big then complain that bigger boats made my day unacceptable. To me it is all about choices & the only choices I can control are mine. So for me if it hurts to raise my right arm then I don't raise my right arm & I will try something else. I don't impose my will on others no time for that just try to get thru life the best I can. Opinions we all have our own & just that opinions & interesting to see what everyone thinks. To me Polarice saying riding fast is =right but so is riding slow & styles will always be different so no use complaining fast or slow everybody is different & we have to share same time & space. Sometimes going to an area to ride where pace is slower is your best answer. I make those choices every time I fire up my sled. Today best choice was not to ride at all. Tomorrow will be different.