Michigan Smoking Ban

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famousguy

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Ok, here comes my rant.

I am a smoker.
I do not smoke in my house.
I do not smoke in my cars.
I do not smoke in bars or restaurants.
This is all by MY choice.

I do not like smokey bars, and restaurants.

BUT, for any business to go smoke free should be the choice of the owner. I am sure I will get a lot of flack for that comment, but whatever happened to our freedom? If the business owner chooses to allow smoking, so be it. If some customers do not like the fact that smoking is allowed, then they do not have to patronize that business.

We allow our government to rule us nowdays. Have we all forgotten who they work for?

Feel free to flame me on this, but we have allowed the government to take away too many of our freedoms.
 
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mxzbearcat

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I agree..I don't like smokey bars but it should be upto the business owner..these laws are usually voted in by the public but it shouldn't be a law the business will change to get the maximum amount of customers. It's like anything else if you don't like don't go there.
 
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zimmbob

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Very understandable stance famous. I actually think on the same lines. I hate all of the government regulation. There seems to be no end. But..... I sure do like going to places and not come out smelling like an ash tray. Grew up with both parents smoking all the time, in the house, car (with the windows rolled up in the winter I'll add....) and everyone in both families. Christmas was like walking through the thickest fog you've ever seen. So I love not having to sit through that, but it didn't stop me from patronizing the establishment. It does my wife, but not me.

Anyway, I don't think anyone should be giving anyone a hard time. Be mad at the gov't if anyone. Whether it's "about time".... or "stay out of my business".
 
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polarisrider1

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famousguy said:
Ok, here comes my rant.

I am a smoker.
I do not smoke in my house.
I do not smoke in my cars.
I do not smoke in bars or restaurants.
This is all by MY choice.

I do not like smokey bars, and restaurants.

BUT, for any business to go smoke free should be the choice of the owner. I am sure I will get a lot of flack for that comment, but whatever happened to our freedom? If the business owner chooses to allow smoking, so be it. If some customers do not like the fact that smoking is allowed, then they do not have to patronize that business.

We allow our government to rule us nowdays. Have we all forgotten who they work for?

Feel free to flame me on this, but we have allowed the government to take away too many of our freedoms.
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I agree with you 100%. Bash or flame you for what? My local so called City council people want to go to 1 trash service for the whole town. Everyone pays the same no matter if they use the service or not. What happened to free enterprise? Isn't this how socialism works? Also this is heading towards political talk, and that is not allowed here. Maybe a poll of who agrees and don't agree would be better?
 
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scott_l

Member
famousguy said:
Ok, here comes my rant.

I am a smoker.
I do not smoke in my house.
I do not smoke in my cars.
I do not smoke in bars or restaurants.
This is all by MY choice.

I do not like smokey bars, and restaurants.

BUT, for any business to go smoke free should be the choice of the owner. I am sure I will get a lot of flack for that comment, but whatever happened to our freedom? If the business owner chooses to allow smoking, so be it. If some customers do not like the fact that smoking is allowed, then they do not have to patronize that business.

We allow our government to rule us nowdays. Have we all forgotten who they work for?

Feel free to flame me on this, but we have allowed the government to take away too many of our freedoms.
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I am not a smoker but I AGREE with you.......if I own a bar our restaurant I should be able to decide if my customers can or can not smoke in it.

Again I am not a smoker but if I walk into a bar and people are smoking I can walk back out if I don't like it!
 
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live4now

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scott_l said:
I am not a smoker but I AGREE with you.......if I own a bar our restaurant I should be able to decide if my customers can or can not smoke in it.

Again I am not a smoker but if I walk into a bar and people are smoking I can walk back out if I don't like it!
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Very well said famousguy!
 
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snow_monkey

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They are freaking out in the small up-north Michigan bar near my cabin. I was there a few weeks ago and it seems as if everyone smokes.
 
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polarisrider1

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snow_monkey said:
They are freaking out in the small up-north Michigan bar near my cabin. I was there a few weeks ago and it seems as if everyone smokes.
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I truly hope this does not hurt business for the bars. They are struggling enough. My favorite hang out even allows cigars and most everyone smokes in there. I don't, but I just deal with it as part of the atmosphere. cough! cough! lol Canada has had this for a few years. The owner goes outside to smoke and we just kinda run the place while he is out there. Very strange!
 
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namrepus

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I bartended at a bar in Houghton that was the first to go no-smoking in town. A few regulars boycotted at first, but a week later they were back. Overall, it was busier in the long run. The owner was a avid smoker. It was his decision. A lot of people won't go into a smokey bar, but very few smokers won't go to a non-smoking bar. The argument is for the workers who really don't have a choice. Am I right that casinos are still allowed to have smoking? Kind of an interesting exception. I go to smokey bars now, but my wife won't. Great. Now I have another reason to drink...
On a side note, what is with 40 degrees in January? Time for more snow.
 
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scott_b

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While I am certainly NOT for more government intervention this is a sticky topic. The issue with allowing the business owners to decide is fear of lost revenue, right or wrong laws like this put everyone on even footing. We know smoking can kill you, we also know that second hand smoke has adverse effects on people's health. Business did not step up and create a mix of smoke free establishments for non smokers so government did it for them. Approx 20% of adults in the US smoke, I certainly did not see 80% of bars being smoke free.
 
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yamadooed

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They are banning it because the choke'n smoke frum all da coffin nails is toxic to humans and not just to the peeps throttle'n em back but to all yalls walk'n around... Just like speed limits asbestos and lead in paint we need to be protected from certain things in life cuz the simple common sense rules don't seem to work in the all about me world of today...
 
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famousguy

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I am surprised that some of you agree with me that the business owner should be the one to decide. It seems as though many I have said that to around here disagree with me.

If the business owner decides to allow smoking, or go non-smoking, then we have true freedom.

The owner makes the choice. He then either reaps the rewards of that choice, or suffers the consequences of that choice.

The customer then gets to choose whether or not they want to patronize a business that allows smoking or one that does not.

The workers get the choice as well. If they do not like working in a business that allows smoking, then they simply move on and find employment in a non smoking environment.

This country was founded on the principals of freedom, and we are gradually losing those freedoms.
 
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henkman

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Totally agree with Famousguy, If I want people to do or not do something in my establishment that should be MY choice as a business owner.
 
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mvedepo

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henkman said:
Totally agree with Famousguy, If I want people to do or not do something in my establishment that should be MY choice as a business owner.
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I think it could be if the establishment is run as a private establishment in lieu of a public.

i.e. a supper club.
 
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600hoic

Banned
We have gone thru the same things in Ohio. I am not a smoker and I voted against this law. Not because I do not want no smoking in bars, resturants, and public establishments, but because I firmly believe it is a person's right and the owners right. We are slowing giving up many rights with each seamingly harmless "for the good of everyone" law. It wont be long before we have no rights in this country.

I for one question whether this law will be enforced in the UP. I just dont see it happening in some of the smaller bars.

When this law went thru Ohio the bars saw a drop in sales and people at first. Then very slowly people returned to the bars. The bar owners built covered patios for smokers and now our bars are great to go out to. I wont even drink in a smoking bar. I know alot of the bars in the UP did not get any of my business. Not because I am a prued but because I just cant take the smoke after living without it.
 
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famousguy

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600hoic said:
We have gone thru the same things in Ohio. I am not a smoker and I voted against this law. Not because I do not want no smoking in bars, resturants, and public establishments, but because I firmly believe it is a person's right and the owners right. We are slowing giving up many rights with each seamingly harmless "for the good of everyone" law. It wont be long before we have no rights in this country.
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Perfect point. My objection is about the loss of freedom more so than the smoking itself.
 
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snow_monkey

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Let's see I can't smoke in the bar, have to wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle, can't have a fire in my own yard without a permit, no texting while driving, cell phones are next, have to wear a seat belt. God forbid I have something dangling from my mirror! What's next?
 
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