Michigan Snowmobile Association MSA

russholio

Well-known member
I am still pushing for at minimum a news and update section in the given state section of the forums. no one is going to call to get info guys who do not go to meetings even if members get no update's on what is going on the mags they are spending way to much on are fluff when it comes to issues and some times to late.
people need to know of city counsel meetings park board meetings. I am VP of a club and still dont know if neighboring clubs are hiving issues and need body's to fill seats or help with other issues .
it is a computer age and a lot of guys in these positions are in them because they have the time to be in them and those same guys still have rotary phones mounted to there kitchen hall way wall. not that it is a bad thing just saying some just dont get it

Bingo.

Anybody who has been to an MSA convention or Ride-in recently (I have been to both) knows that the membership by and large is made up of an older crowd. The older crowd cannot and will not be able to carry the torch forever. It is crucial to recruit new blood into the organization (this is true of ANY organization). It does little good to preach to the current membership the need for continued support and continually ask for donations. We know what MSA does, how hard they work, and why they are beneficial -- they need to convey that message to those who DON'T know or are on the fence. It's time to think outside the box. And I see forums such as this as an easy and cost-effective way of delivering the message to a large body of snowmobilers. Are there some obstacles? Sure. But with adequate rules and moderating, I don't think it would turn into the free-for-all that some would predict (that IS why we have rules and moderating, right?). Even if it proved to NOT be successful, there is little, if any cost involved to at least try.

If membership numbers are declining or have declined to the extent that some have posted, then it's clear that new approaches must at least be explored. Scare tactics aren't enough and won't cut it. Without new blood, the organization is doomed.

And for the record, I am a life member and fully support MSA. I know many of the club officials personally and am friends with many. I certainly don't mean any of this as a criticism of the job they're doing or of their intents. I'm simply suggesting that maybe it's time to consider other avenues of marketing the organization.
 

polarisrider1

New member
I am pretty sure they had a forum at one time way back, but nobody seemed to use it. We were all on JDee, HCS and others digging dirt.. A FAQ would take some load off their phones....maybe? not sure. I know it all take volunteers or money to hire people to run it.

My key point going back to post 1. We need numbers and bigger the better. MSA is our representation in Lansing. It's what we have. The Greenies, tree hugging Al Gore supporters are very well funded to try and get us out of the forest, off the trails and out of the towns they think is theirs. Even if you got a pet peeve about some remote thing about MSA, they are what we got and they need new blood to join them with either money or time.
 
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russholio

Well-known member
I have to respectfully disagree that they would have to hire people to run a forum or FAQ on their website (or any other forum). The beauty of it is that ANY club official could respond to it from just about anywhere -- not just somebody in the office -- and it's not limited by office hours, or a busy phone, and would help take some of the burden off the already busy office staff who would then have more time to attend to other matters.

The bottom line is, MSA needs new members and to keep existing members. I think we all agree on that. There are likely numerous ways to try and accomplish that, but I think it's pretty clear that the same old same old isn't effective.
 

polarisrider1

New member
I have to respectfully disagree that they would have to hire people to run a forum or FAQ on their website (or any other forum). The beauty of it is that ANY club official could respond to it from just about anywhere -- not just somebody in the office -- and it's not limited by office hours, or a busy phone, and would help take some of the burden off the already busy office staff who would then have more time to attend to other matters.

The bottom line is, MSA needs new members and to keep existing members. I think we all agree on that. There are likely numerous ways to try and accomplish that, but I think it's pretty clear that the same old same old isn't effective.

Agreed. The FAQ needs to be done by the Pres. or VP with answers derived from the board discussing it, if we want accuracy.

Not to sound paranoid about any of this but great battles have been fought to gain or regain trail rights and to keep such rights. Along with many other tough issues that have been won. Maybe...just maybe? putting out such a FAQ or detailed information on social media for the members could also put out information the greenies are wanting or needing to use against us. That is why I suspect that if you really want an answer then a direct visit or call is suggested. After all it is politics. Frank... what's your thoughts ole wise man?
 

russholio

Well-known member
Not to sound paranoid about any of this but great battles have been fought to gain or regain trail rights and to keep such rights. Along with many other tough issues that have been won. Maybe...just maybe? putting out such a FAQ or detailed information on social media for the members could also put out information the greenies are wanting or needing to use against us. That is why I suspect that if you really want an answer then a direct visit or call is suggested. After all it is politics.

I agree this could be an issue. What I had envisioned was using web-based forums for recruiting members and for simple questions and answers (e.g., where does my trail permit money go, how does the grant sponsor program work, what are the benefits of joining). I think you make a valid point that it shouldn't be used to disclose strategies (or at least, not in great detail) that hostile groups could use to their benefit.
 

frnash

Active member
PR1 & RH, I think you have the right idea.

If MSA wants to attract younger folks they're going to have to focus on the kind of convenient web based interactive access & social media that the younger folks are into, or MSA's not going to get their attention, never mind membership.
… if you really want an answer then a direct visit or call is suggested. …
If that, the younger folks likely won't bother, or join either, for that matter. It's the 21st century, get with the program!
 
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