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Michigan Snowmobile Association MSA
- Thread starter polarisrider1
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Wow,I was off by a few hundred. Seems a few more dropped out. I hope PR1 can forgive me for rounding high. You would think MSA would jump in this post and do some selling,promoting ,or something. Enough said?????
That's a good point. Seems like it would do the MSA some good to get on the major forums and provide some support for why it is critical that people join, what they do, where the money goes, etc. They wouldn't need to open it up for comments necessarily but I bet it would go a long way if they posted something on here.
That's a good point. Seems like it would do the MSA some good to get on the major forums and provide some support for why it is critical that people join, what they do, where the money goes, etc. They wouldn't need to open it up for comments necessarily but I bet it would go a long way if they posted something on here.
I have brought that up to some of them before, and will continue to do so. I agree that this (and other forums) would be excellent tools they could and should use to market themselves.
I think the cost of the Trail Permits have cut into the MSA Membership. I just joined for another 3 Years this fall. When I sent the Money for 4 Trail Permits its a little hard to add on for Membership also.
But then I think we have 50k stuck into our Equipment and the Check I sent MSA was chump change. Now I can start sending a bigger Check to Wisconsin also next Year. At least it will only cost $10 per Sled with my Club membership.
But then I think we have 50k stuck into our Equipment and the Check I sent MSA was chump change. Now I can start sending a bigger Check to Wisconsin also next Year. At least it will only cost $10 per Sled with my Club membership.
polarisrider1
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That's a good point. Seems like it would do the MSA some good to get on the major forums and provide some support for why it is critical that people join, what they do, where the money goes, etc. They wouldn't need to open it up for comments necessarily but I bet it would go a long way if they posted something on here.
"They" is the members. Start at post #1. No need to venture further.
Yes, "they" is the members, but.....it would still be nice to have a club official answering questions and responding to comments that people have. Similarly, "we the people" (theoretically) are the government -- does that mean that we're all qualified to answer government-related questions?
This site wood be a great place for them to reach out. HCS general discussion turns into a free for all bash fest. The mods here do a good job of keeping it civil. This is a free way for them to reach out to former members and maybe some new ones. It's sounds like a no brainer to me. A member coming on here saying join up they do great things,isn't enough for me. I don't think anybody on here is looking to attack them.
This site wood be a great place for them to reach out. HCS general discussion turns into a free for all bash fest. The mods here do a good job of keeping it civil. This is a free way for them to reach out to former members and maybe some new ones. It's sounds like a no brainer to me. A member coming on here saying join up they do great things,isn't enough for me. I don't think anybody on here is looking to attack them.
X2, on all counts.
"They" is the members. Start at post #1. No need to venture further.
I appreciate your starting this discussion and putting the info out there. I was thinking more in terms of someone higher-up at the organization writing an in-depth post or article on here that says these are the reasons it is absolutely critical to join - it might convince a few more. Most people on here seem to ride in Michigan. I am a member but am surprised the numbers are as low as they are.
polarisrider1
New member
I appreciate your starting this discussion and putting the info out there. I was thinking more in terms of someone higher-up at the organization writing an in-depth post or article on here that says these are the reasons it is absolutely critical to join - it might convince a few more. Most people on here seem to ride in Michigan. I am a member but am surprised the numbers are as low as they are.
I totally agree with you. I will bring it up with them at Novi show and report back on the response.
polarisrider1
New member
Just read on HCS where Al Green passed away. Have not been able verify but if true, we've lost a valuable member. Al worked hard for the Cadillac area and for MSA, where he was the vice-president.
It is true. I was just notified. The family is currently planning services in Cadillac and in Jackson were most the family is located.
I also don't get why the state head organizations don't post in the forums.
I have brought it up a few times.
I know our local club had a link set up on our site for guys who want to donate to the club and don't want to be a member and have to deal with all that. (trail warriors) is what they are called on our site and it is working. then we can decide if MNUSA needs the cash or our local needs diesel/ parts or bridges etc etc .
I truly think a lot of people want to give but don't want or have time for clubs .
I have brought it up a few times.
I know our local club had a link set up on our site for guys who want to donate to the club and don't want to be a member and have to deal with all that. (trail warriors) is what they are called on our site and it is working. then we can decide if MNUSA needs the cash or our local needs diesel/ parts or bridges etc etc .
I truly think a lot of people want to give but don't want or have time for clubs .
polarisrider1
New member
The reason they do not respond is because of many reasons. A large reason is....look at all our topics and threads on these sites. They for the most part start out great and turn into pissing matches and beating dead horses. No volunteers want that. You can pick up on that when the groomer guys are responding. They feel why put themselves thru that. They are volunteers. And we know the burn out rate on volunteers.
As Al Green and Karen from the MSA office explained, many on these forums are here to stir things up, entertainment to them at the expense of those looking for good information. They feel that the information will also get misconstrued in these sites.
Karen from MSA said if you have questions call the MSA office direct. It may take awhile to get back because of low staffing and they want to give you a correct answer.
As Al Green and Karen from the MSA office explained, many on these forums are here to stir things up, entertainment to them at the expense of those looking for good information. They feel that the information will also get misconstrued in these sites.
Karen from MSA said if you have questions call the MSA office direct. It may take awhile to get back because of low staffing and they want to give you a correct answer.
I understand all that. But all it would take is to have one topic area dedicated to MSA-related questions and answers. No need for them to monitor all the other threads. I don't see how information can get any more misconstrued with them providing the answers than it is now with them absent and everybody jumping to conclusions. Yes, people can call the MSA office. But let's face it, for better or for worse we're in the internet age and it's more convenient than calling. Not to mention.....if MSA membership numbers are low and they're looking for new members, how easy would it be for them to get on these forums and make their pitch? They would reach hundreds, if not thousands and all it would cost is a little bit of time.
polarisrider1
New member
I feel the same as you on this Ezra. But I also understand why MSA, Clubs, snowmobile related Business owners laying low in here.
Who really trusts topics such as "tech talk" for example. We had a few with great information and a ton of bad or misconstrued information to the point that topic has become more "entertainment" then "information".
Best is if one truly wants to get involved then join a club and if you don't have time to then support them monetary. If that's still to much then at least support the commercial members.
Who really trusts topics such as "tech talk" for example. We had a few with great information and a ton of bad or misconstrued information to the point that topic has become more "entertainment" then "information".
Best is if one truly wants to get involved then join a club and if you don't have time to then support them monetary. If that's still to much then at least support the commercial members.
polarisrider1
New member
Keep in mind it is not a "us and them issue". They are us. It's a mind set. Snowmobiling is not an entitlement just because someone dumped $12,000 on a sled and bought a permit. It is so much more then that.
I am still pushing for at minimum a news and update section in the given state section of the forums. no one is going to call to get info guys who do not go to meetings even if members get no update's on what is going on the mags they are spending way to much on are fluff when it comes to issues and some times to late.
people need to know of city counsel meetings park board meetings. I am VP of a club and still dont know if neighboring clubs are hiving issues and need body's to fill seats or help with other issues .
it is a computer age and a lot of guys in these positions are in them because they have the time to be in them and those same guys still have rotary phones mounted to there kitchen hall way wall. not that it is a bad thing just saying some just dont get it
people need to know of city counsel meetings park board meetings. I am VP of a club and still dont know if neighboring clubs are hiving issues and need body's to fill seats or help with other issues .
it is a computer age and a lot of guys in these positions are in them because they have the time to be in them and those same guys still have rotary phones mounted to there kitchen hall way wall. not that it is a bad thing just saying some just dont get it
polarisrider1
New member
I am still pushing for at minimum a news and update section in the given state section of the forums. no one is going to call to get info guys who do not go to meetings even if members get no update's on what is going on the mags they are spending way to much on are fluff when it comes to issues and some times to late.
people need to know of city counsel meetings park board meetings. I am VP of a club and still dont know if neighboring clubs are hiving issues and need body's to fill seats or help with other issues .
it is a computer age and a lot of guys in these positions are in them because they have the time to be in them and those same guys still have rotary phones mounted to there kitchen hall way wall. not that it is a bad thing just saying some just dont get it
Not so sure we can get the older folks to change from those rotary phones. (My mother has one). Technology scares many. Key is to get younger crowd involved to assist the wonderful ( elder) volunteers. Problem is the younger crowd need to concentrate on putting food on the table and raising children first over volunteering. MSA has had to actually hire help to fill the voids.