My last straw
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lofsfire
Active member
1978 Animal House
tongue_man
New member
doospunk,that be a quote from the movie Animal House.
I'm with Snake73 put a small sign a few feet past the spike strip that says "That sound is all of the air rushing out of your tires" or "Hope that was worth 200 bucks" or "Your weekend of riding is over. explative Next time follow the rules you explative" Have fun with it. You could turn this into a teachable moment.
On the serious side thank you for contributing to this sport that we all love.
On the serious side thank you for contributing to this sport that we all love.
While it sounds like a great idea for spike strips and such just remember your liable when someone gets hurt. Trespasser or not, if it happened on your property and you maliciously caused it the courts will find in his/her favor.
Same thing goes for people that use steel cable to gate their property.
Same thing goes for people that use steel cable to gate their property.
mezz
Well-known member
As a property owner, you are not liable for uninvited guests on your property, however, that does not mean to set up a trap that is intended to cause harm, that act in itself is a willful malicious act that will get you into big trouble quick & deeper than you can imagine. We don't want to send a message to anyone condoning malicious acts like those attempted by many tree huggers against motorsports enthusiasts in the past. That simply does not solve anything, in fact, in this case, would label the property owner which could lead to a much larger issue than the Hatfields & McCoy's.-Mezz
polarisrider1
New member
I say you got to have a body to have a crime! Pound re-rod in the ground in a row, leave about 6" above grade and about a foot below grade. It's a pretty sturdy set up this way. Set these up in the middle of your property in the trails path. Paint the ends with bright orange paint. If some one is bombing across your property and hits one you got them. Tell the police that those are for target practice or something equally as goofy. Truthfully I think Yamahauler says it best. zbut also fill in the whole side of the property with woven wire fence and a gate from a farm store that will hold a herd of Bulls back, It has stopped me in the past. If they get around the gate and fence the spikes are there. DO NOT do the spikes unless you do the Gate and fence. Never install wire as a deterent.
Radsrh, first ,thank you. it's really to bad that a few bad apple's spoil it for the ones who work the hardest on making things work smoothly. I've been in a club and worked on trails down here and it's always the club members fixing up what the screw-ups do. I feel for you cause it's not your fault and really you don't have to lift a finger. Doing something, to level the field would only have you lower yourself to their stupidity. I hope this gets resolved without anyone getting hurt, good luck and thank you for your kindness in the past.
xsledder
Active member
Radsrh, I wish people would quit giving you stupid suggestions like installing rebar in your yard. I believe you won't do something as foolish as some of these suggestion, even though it can be tempting at times.
Thank you for permitting the snowmobile trail across your property. I'm sympathetic to your strife and I understand you don't owe anyone anything, but could you please give the sledders one more season so the clubs have a year to appropriately re-route the trail. I realize it is brass of me to ask so much of you considering what you have given over the years.
You don't have to do anything, but they will still come even if you close the trail because humans are creatures of habit. If you really want to stop them, then something has to be done that will alter their behavior without causing personal injury or property damage.
The best suggestion I have to offer is talk with the snowmobile and ATV clubs in the area. Ask them to help you erect, if not have them pay for it, a fence on each side of the gate. If possible, make the fences 50' long on each side of the gates and then plant evergreen trees close together for another 25' to 50'. Then install "No ATV Access" signs on the gates. Trust me, the ATV'ers will get the message when they see it and have to go a total of 300' to 400' out of their way to cross your property (even the head strong ones). It can be a Barbed Wire fence, nothing fancy.
Thank you.
Thank you for permitting the snowmobile trail across your property. I'm sympathetic to your strife and I understand you don't owe anyone anything, but could you please give the sledders one more season so the clubs have a year to appropriately re-route the trail. I realize it is brass of me to ask so much of you considering what you have given over the years.
You don't have to do anything, but they will still come even if you close the trail because humans are creatures of habit. If you really want to stop them, then something has to be done that will alter their behavior without causing personal injury or property damage.
The best suggestion I have to offer is talk with the snowmobile and ATV clubs in the area. Ask them to help you erect, if not have them pay for it, a fence on each side of the gate. If possible, make the fences 50' long on each side of the gates and then plant evergreen trees close together for another 25' to 50'. Then install "No ATV Access" signs on the gates. Trust me, the ATV'ers will get the message when they see it and have to go a total of 300' to 400' out of their way to cross your property (even the head strong ones). It can be a Barbed Wire fence, nothing fancy.
Thank you.
kamikaze_bros
Member
Radsrh,
I feel your pain. Been there as well. I've always been amazed by how many folks are willing to plead ignorance and ask for forgiveness verses asking for permission. Every hunting season I have people stop in and ask permission to hunt my property and in the 27 years I've owned this place I have only said no once, and it was because my son was home on leave and hadn't had a chance to hunt in a couple of years. I've dealt with trespassers since I've own this place. Tried a lot of stuff over the years, signs, sheriff, gates. None of it was all that effective expect one particular sign. The sign states "No Trespassing" Written permission from land owner required upon entering this property. Any trespassers that survives will be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. I have 4 of these signs up. The results have been wonderful. The folks who are inclined to ask permission aren't intimidated and the retards who make a habit out of trespassing have been almost non-existent.
I feel your pain. Been there as well. I've always been amazed by how many folks are willing to plead ignorance and ask for forgiveness verses asking for permission. Every hunting season I have people stop in and ask permission to hunt my property and in the 27 years I've owned this place I have only said no once, and it was because my son was home on leave and hadn't had a chance to hunt in a couple of years. I've dealt with trespassers since I've own this place. Tried a lot of stuff over the years, signs, sheriff, gates. None of it was all that effective expect one particular sign. The sign states "No Trespassing" Written permission from land owner required upon entering this property. Any trespassers that survives will be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. I have 4 of these signs up. The results have been wonderful. The folks who are inclined to ask permission aren't intimidated and the retards who make a habit out of trespassing have been almost non-existent.
photo after photo to the DNR and the local law enforcment then maybe they will take some action on this problem.
I always thought it was just one person that ruined it for everybody else but it sounds like alot more than one person. Good luck and thanks for the sleddin trail.
doo
I always thought it was just one person that ruined it for everybody else but it sounds like alot more than one person. Good luck and thanks for the sleddin trail.
doo
When I was a kid a friend of mines grandpa had the same problem with some dirt bikes on his farm. He simply filled a piece of plywood with roofing nails then screwed another piece of plywood to the back of it. Then put it out where they drive. That solved his problem.
Simply create a bottleneck, post it well, and put your board out. Then string barbed fishing hooks in the areas they may try to get around it.
Simply create a bottleneck, post it well, and put your board out. Then string barbed fishing hooks in the areas they may try to get around it.
skip_schulz
New member
radsrh, what you are going through is EXACTLY why Mi-TRALE implemented an ATV Trail Signing program. We did this with our own money, not a penny from the ORV Trail Sticker fund. Volunteers invested hundreds of hours in putting an ATV Trail Signing program so that we could put out a map showing ATV Riders where they can legally ride.
We did the Mi-TRALE ATV Trail Signing program so that ATV Riders would know where they can legally ride.
We did this at the REQUEST of Private Landowners that gave us a Trail Agreement for an ATV Trail so tha ATV Riders would STAY ON THE TRAIL
We did this with the support of Local and County Law Enforcement to minimize ILLEGAL ATV Riding on Private Land, and to help Emergency personaly find someone in case of an accident.
After doing all this, we got our hands slapped by the DNR. Fortunately the DNR gave Mi-TRALE special permission to keep our Mi-TRALE ATV Trail Signs up, UNTIL THEY COME UP WITH A BETTER SYSTEM.
The current system is simply small 3 inch confidence markers. Problem is those confidence markers can only be posted on MiDNR Designated ORV Trails.
So what are we supposed to do on the hundreds of miles of NON-DESIGNATED, yet LEGAL ATV Trails?
What are we to do to help educate and inform ATV Riders that many snowmobile trails ARE NOT OPEN TO ATV's?
radsrh, I sympathize with you, and TOTALLY understand what you are going through. While Mi-TRALE does not have any trails in your area, we hope that the ATV club in your area joins WITH Mi-TRALE in coming up with an ATV Trail Signing system that helps minimize the problems you are going through.
Would it not make sense to have an ATV Trail Signing program, like the one Snowmobilers have been using for 30+ years? One where trails are specifically designated.
Since Snowmobile Trails use a Numeric system, Mi-TRALE came up with an Alphabetical trail identification and signing system. Snowmobile Trails are Black numbers on Orange. Mi-TRALE are Black Alphabetical Letters on a White Background. Simple, and easy to understand.
If you don't see a Black Alphabetical Letter on a White Sign, then that trail is NOT OPEN TO ATV's.
So simple, yet those in Govt and in our sport is unwilling to accept this system.
Let's wait and see what ATV Trail Signing program the DNR will come up with.
In the meantime, radsrh, I am so sorry for what a few 'bad apples' in our sport are doing to our friends in the snowmobile community.
BTW, I am BOTH an ATV Rider and Snowmobiler, and simply want the two user groups to WORK TOGETHER.
Skip Schulz
Mi-TRALE
We did the Mi-TRALE ATV Trail Signing program so that ATV Riders would know where they can legally ride.
We did this at the REQUEST of Private Landowners that gave us a Trail Agreement for an ATV Trail so tha ATV Riders would STAY ON THE TRAIL
We did this with the support of Local and County Law Enforcement to minimize ILLEGAL ATV Riding on Private Land, and to help Emergency personaly find someone in case of an accident.
After doing all this, we got our hands slapped by the DNR. Fortunately the DNR gave Mi-TRALE special permission to keep our Mi-TRALE ATV Trail Signs up, UNTIL THEY COME UP WITH A BETTER SYSTEM.
The current system is simply small 3 inch confidence markers. Problem is those confidence markers can only be posted on MiDNR Designated ORV Trails.
So what are we supposed to do on the hundreds of miles of NON-DESIGNATED, yet LEGAL ATV Trails?
What are we to do to help educate and inform ATV Riders that many snowmobile trails ARE NOT OPEN TO ATV's?
radsrh, I sympathize with you, and TOTALLY understand what you are going through. While Mi-TRALE does not have any trails in your area, we hope that the ATV club in your area joins WITH Mi-TRALE in coming up with an ATV Trail Signing system that helps minimize the problems you are going through.
Would it not make sense to have an ATV Trail Signing program, like the one Snowmobilers have been using for 30+ years? One where trails are specifically designated.
Since Snowmobile Trails use a Numeric system, Mi-TRALE came up with an Alphabetical trail identification and signing system. Snowmobile Trails are Black numbers on Orange. Mi-TRALE are Black Alphabetical Letters on a White Background. Simple, and easy to understand.
If you don't see a Black Alphabetical Letter on a White Sign, then that trail is NOT OPEN TO ATV's.
So simple, yet those in Govt and in our sport is unwilling to accept this system.
Let's wait and see what ATV Trail Signing program the DNR will come up with.
In the meantime, radsrh, I am so sorry for what a few 'bad apples' in our sport are doing to our friends in the snowmobile community.
BTW, I am BOTH an ATV Rider and Snowmobiler, and simply want the two user groups to WORK TOGETHER.
Skip Schulz
Mi-TRALE
Well, I am not an ATV rider, but am interested in trying.
Here is what I think a BIG part of the problem is.
Last weekend, I was staying at the Quality Inn in St. Ignace. I saw that they rent ATV's, so I inquired at the desk about them.
When I asked "Where exactly can I ride it" The clerk said that I could ride on any of the snowmobile trails. I aksed if he was positive about that, and he said yes. He then handed me a snowmobile trail map and ssaid that I could ride all of those trails.
So, I emailed the groomer from St. Ignace snowmobile club and asked him. He said that was untrue. The only trail you can ride out of ST. Ignace is the RR Grade to Trout lake.
That to me seems like a huge problem when a business is telling customers they can ride all of the snowmobile trails.
Here is what I think a BIG part of the problem is.
Last weekend, I was staying at the Quality Inn in St. Ignace. I saw that they rent ATV's, so I inquired at the desk about them.
When I asked "Where exactly can I ride it" The clerk said that I could ride on any of the snowmobile trails. I aksed if he was positive about that, and he said yes. He then handed me a snowmobile trail map and ssaid that I could ride all of those trails.
So, I emailed the groomer from St. Ignace snowmobile club and asked him. He said that was untrue. The only trail you can ride out of ST. Ignace is the RR Grade to Trout lake.
That to me seems like a huge problem when a business is telling customers they can ride all of the snowmobile trails.
If they don't tell you that, you won't rent them. This was a problem up by Winter, WI until just a few years ago, when they went and got permission to do so finally. And even then, NOT ALL snowmobile trails are ATV friendly yet.
As for the ATV'ing famousguy, be prepared to get DIRTY. If you wear contacts, get goggles.
I'm sure the seasoned ATV'ers already know this.
As for the ATV'ing famousguy, be prepared to get DIRTY. If you wear contacts, get goggles.
I'm sure the seasoned ATV'ers already know this.
As others have stated on here a big thanks goes out to you for letting the snowmobile trail go through your land, many people take this for granted unfortunately.
Two things here:
I know that the Keweenaw has been working on establishing an "official" ATV trail system. I greatly support this, for the local economy and simple recreational reasons. There really is no clear trail system for people to follow, and with the popularity of ATV's this leads to a lot of problems with land owners.
I can't imagine the situation your in; A significant amount of land, enjoying some peace and quiet with your family......then seeing ATV's flying through your property over and over. Gates and a lot of signage are good starts, but unfortunately these will not detour everyone. If it continues to be an issue you could setup inexpensive video surveillance, or even "Dummy" cameras near your gates. The next step would be the involvement of the DNR or the Keweenaw County Sherif's department. If they continue to push the limits, and threaten the safety of your family, I would hope that stiff fines would change their minds for good.
I hope that this works out for you, and thanks again for allowing the snowmobile trail on your property.
Stack
Two things here:
I know that the Keweenaw has been working on establishing an "official" ATV trail system. I greatly support this, for the local economy and simple recreational reasons. There really is no clear trail system for people to follow, and with the popularity of ATV's this leads to a lot of problems with land owners.
I can't imagine the situation your in; A significant amount of land, enjoying some peace and quiet with your family......then seeing ATV's flying through your property over and over. Gates and a lot of signage are good starts, but unfortunately these will not detour everyone. If it continues to be an issue you could setup inexpensive video surveillance, or even "Dummy" cameras near your gates. The next step would be the involvement of the DNR or the Keweenaw County Sherif's department. If they continue to push the limits, and threaten the safety of your family, I would hope that stiff fines would change their minds for good.
I hope that this works out for you, and thanks again for allowing the snowmobile trail on your property.
Stack