New Trail 109?

ragsled

Member
It is legal to ride the Right of Way on a State Highway BUT you have to stay on the extreme right of the open area of the ROW, come to a complete stop and yield to use the shoulder to access a bridge. Here is a link to the Michigan Snowmobile regulations, scroll down to page 2 for highway use.


I guess Lansing should probably change the law if they don't want people ditch banging.

The law (MCL 324.82119) allows for snowmobiles to " be operated on the right-of-way of a public highway, except a limited access highway, if it is operated at the extreme right of the open portion of the right-of-way and with the flow of traffic on the highway."


To understand what this means, you have to look at the definitions of right-of-way, roadway and shoulder:


"Right-of-way" means that portion of a highway or street less the roadway and any shoulder.


"Roadway" means that portion of a highway or street improved, designated, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel. If a highway or street includes 2 or more separate roadways, the term roadway refers to any roadway separately, but not to all of the roadways collectively.


"Shoulder" means that portion of a highway or street on either side of the roadway that is normally snowplowed for the safety and convenience of vehicular traffic.


By looking at these definitions, it becomes clearer that you can operate your snowmobile on the non-maintained or unplowed areas of the right-of-ways, but not on the actual roadway or shoulder of the road.


Most County road right-of-ways are 33 feet from the center of the road and most State road right-of-ways are 66 feet from the center of the road. Private property owners do still maintain legal rights within the unmaintained portion of the right-of-way and can post these "No Trespassing" or place barriers such as snow fences.


With that being said, there is an exception to the law that allows County Road Commissions authority to allow operation of snowmobiles on the shoulder of the roads.


If a county does allow this type of operation, they will have signs posted at the county lines stating snowmobiles are "permitted on right-of-way or shoulder of all .......... (county name) roads -- MCL 324.82119." At no time are snowmobiles allowed on or allowed to cross Limited Access Highways such as I-96, I-94, U.S. 131, etc.


Disclaimer: You may still get ticketed and have to hope the Judge interprets correctly if the LEO did not.
 

pclark

Well-known member
It is legal to ride the Right of Way on a State Highway BUT you have to stay on the extreme right of the open area of the ROW, come to a complete stop and yield to use the shoulder to access a bridge. Here is a link to the Michigan Snowmobile regulations, scroll down to page 2 for highway use.


I guess Lansing should probably change the law if they don't want people ditch banging.

The law (MCL 324.82119) allows for snowmobiles to " be operated on the right-of-way of a public highway, except a limited access highway, if it is operated at the extreme right of the open portion of the right-of-way and with the flow of traffic on the highway."


To understand what this means, you have to look at the definitions of right-of-way, roadway and shoulder:


"Right-of-way" means that portion of a highway or street less the roadway and any shoulder.


"Roadway" means that portion of a highway or street improved, designated, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel. If a highway or street includes 2 or more separate roadways, the term roadway refers to any roadway separately, but not to all of the roadways collectively.


"Shoulder" means that portion of a highway or street on either side of the roadway that is normally snowplowed for the safety and convenience of vehicular traffic.


By looking at these definitions, it becomes clearer that you can operate your snowmobile on the non-maintained or unplowed areas of the right-of-ways, but not on the actual roadway or shoulder of the road.


Most County road right-of-ways are 33 feet from the center of the road and most State road right-of-ways are 66 feet from the center of the road. Private property owners do still maintain legal rights within the unmaintained portion of the right-of-way and can post these "No Trespassing" or place barriers such as snow fences.


With that being said, there is an exception to the law that allows County Road Commissions authority to allow operation of snowmobiles on the shoulder of the roads.


If a county does allow this type of operation, they will have signs posted at the county lines stating snowmobiles are "permitted on right-of-way or shoulder of all .......... (county name) roads -- MCL 324.82119." At no time are snowmobiles allowed on or allowed to cross Limited Access Highways such as I-96, I-94, U.S. 131, etc.


Disclaimer: You may still get ticketed and have to hope the Judge interprets correctly if the LEO did not.
Very thorough explanation, thanks!
 

goofy600

Well-known member
Sorry boys for starting something, not saying it’s the right thing to do but just saying it’s been done. Great explanation so will keep that in my back pocket. Also figured Leo may make a big deal with it in the beginning but after a while will back off unless people complain.
 

goofy600

Well-known member
Old Abe, the one thing I do know now is there are things in place not that we keep clubs from lying to DNR if they groomer a section now. They have gps on all groomers that can be monitored. So if they have someone that actually is watching they have all data of everything a groomer is doing at real time and past data.
 

old abe

Well-known member
Old Abe, the one thing I do know now is there are things in place not that we keep clubs from lying to DNR if they groomer a section now. They have gps on all groomers that can be monitored. So if they have someone that actually is watching they have all data of everything a groomer is doing at real time and past data.
Yes, now perhaps the tech, GPS tracks, will keep them honest! Hopefully.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Old Abe, the one thing I do know now is there are things in place not that we keep clubs from lying to DNR if they groomer a section now. They have gps on all groomers that can be monitored. So if they have someone that actually is watching they have all data of everything a groomer is doing at real time and past data.
Same with WI gps save groomers a whole lot of paperwork.
 

goofy600

Well-known member
Same with WI gps save groomers a whole lot of paperwork.
No it doesn’t save us any time or paperwork that I know of, but I will admit that I haven’t spent much training on what all they(dnr) expect from it or us. But yes it certainly could save us tons of time and paperwork!!!
 

whitedust

Well-known member
No it doesn’t save us any time or paperwork that I know of, but I will admit that I haven’t spent much training on what all they(dnr) expect from it or us. But yes it certainly could save us tons of time and paperwork!!!
I know that was the intention in WI last I heard but never followed up when it became mandatory.
 

ragsled

Member
It is legal to ride the Right of Way on a State Highway BUT you have to stay on the extreme right of the open area of the ROW, come to a complete stop and yield to use the shoulder to access a bridge. Here is a link to the Michigan Snowmobile regulations, scroll down to page 2 for highway use.


I guess Lansing should probably change the law if they don't want people ditch banging.

The law (MCL 324.82119) allows for snowmobiles to " be operated on the right-of-way of a public highway, except a limited access highway, if it is operated at the extreme right of the open portion of the right-of-way and with the flow of traffic on the highway."


To understand what this means, you have to look at the definitions of right-of-way, roadway and shoulder:


"Right-of-way" means that portion of a highway or street less the roadway and any shoulder.


"Roadway" means that portion of a highway or street improved, designated, or ordinarily used for vehicular travel. If a highway or street includes 2 or more separate roadways, the term roadway refers to any roadway separately, but not to all of the roadways collectively.


"Shoulder" means that portion of a highway or street on either side of the roadway that is normally snowplowed for the safety and convenience of vehicular traffic.


By looking at these definitions, it becomes clearer that you can operate your snowmobile on the non-maintained or unplowed areas of the right-of-ways, but not on the actual roadway or shoulder of the road.


Most County road right-of-ways are 33 feet from the center of the road and most State road right-of-ways are 66 feet from the center of the road. Private property owners do still maintain legal rights within the unmaintained portion of the right-of-way and can post these "No Trespassing" or place barriers such as snow fences.


With that being said, there is an exception to the law that allows County Road Commissions authority to allow operation of snowmobiles on the shoulder of the roads.


If a county does allow this type of operation, they will have signs posted at the county lines stating snowmobiles are "permitted on right-of-way or shoulder of all .......... (county name) roads -- MCL 324.82119." At no time are snowmobiles allowed on or allowed to cross Limited Access Highways such as I-96, I-94, U.S. 131, etc.


Disclaimer: You may still get ticketed and have to hope the Judge interprets correctly if the LEO did not.
I do want to add that while it may be legal to get to South Laird Road by ditch, people using South Laird Road better follow the law as it applies to riding the shoulder of roads in an approved county. There are a bunch of houses between M38 and when it turns in to UP12, piss off those people and that will be trouble. IIRC they keep South Laird pretty well plowed so not much to ride on anyways.
 

kip

Well-known member
Well said Warner. More volunteers would certainly help in these clubs. Enthusiasts is exactly what it takes. The Superior Snowmobile Club has done well with non-local volunteers and it's been a real blessing. More clubs such as Baraga need this participation. Opening a trail is no easy task as you all know.
 

euphoric1

Well-known member
Well said Warner. More volunteers would certainly help in these clubs. Enthusiasts is exactly what it takes. The Superior Snowmobile Club has done well with non-local volunteers and it's been a real blessing. More clubs such as Baraga need this participation. Opening a trail is no easy task as you all know.
" more volunteers" there was a good read in the snowgoer entitled " challenges faced by snowmobile clubs" highly recommend to read "more volunteers" but everyone is too busy now adays and take it all for granted except for the select few who always find the time to make trails possible and IMO don't get enough recognition or appreciation for their efforts. I hate to keep beating up an already dead horse but its frustrating to see the actual "involvement" followed by complainers. Pull out your snowmobile trail map.... first highlight state trails if you have them in your area, then color in all the private land, next remove all the club sponsored trails from the map, what to you have left? didly poop! it boggles the mind that all this work falls on a select few so the rest can enjoy and complain about it. sorry for the rant.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
I think if Baraga put the word out that we have land to complete trail 109 just need help with people with saws I would show up and could muster some friends as well. Don’t ask don’t get! Get the trail land approved is no easy task can Baraga do that much?
 

mspease

Moderator
I know that was the intention in WI last I heard but never followed up when it became mandatory.
I handle all entries for our club for grooming, grading, signing etc. It really saves a ton of time in WI and no longer can a club cheat. I can watch my groomers live and even tell how fast they are going. :) I was hesitant at first, but it really is a great system.
 

whitedust

Well-known member
I handle all entries for our club for grooming, grading, signing etc. It really saves a ton of time in WI and no longer can a club cheat. I can watch my groomers live and even tell how fast they are going. :) I was hesitant at first, but it really is a great system.
Good stuff Mark I was all for it years ago then moved south lost track of the program until recently it was brought up at club meeting. I didn’t say anything or ask questions seemed like old news to club officers. Thanks for clarification happy to hear the program came to fruition.
 

garageguy

Well-known member
I have not been in Alston for some time on my sled. Is there anything of intrist to warrent a one way trip??
 

dwz

Active member
Took 109 today, good UP to the power lines, then to Alston was icy and snirt all the way, need more snow on that side. Still a fun winding trail even if you have to turn around and go back the same way you came in!
 
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