New trail signs?

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When reading the update on the Superior Snowmobile club trail cleanup, something stuck out to me, and rather than hijack Krupp's thread, I thought I would start my own. Did anyone else notice that old sign posts were being taken down and new one's put up but the new signs have not arrived yet? The projects they did were described below.

Our projects were to rebuild a bridge, trail brushing, removing old signage and putting up new sign posts to prepare for new signage (new signs not yet received).

I know we had a big discussion on this proposed new signage last year, but does anyone know what exactly is happening? It sure sounds like they are taking away most of the warning signs and arrows and replacing them with very few signs. What are the new signs exactly?
 
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jmvette427

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hey skylar: i like the new combination horizontal alignmment intersection signs ! it means you can go faster into the turn because you know you have a runoff area! LOL
 
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whitedust

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Mark now that would be "a hoot" if the new signs are NOT up in MI December 1 when trails open. Every snowmobile website I visit slams this program but like Skylar I too accept what is done is done. Just for the record I don't agree removing bridge ahead or narrow bridge signs & pretty sure this will cause more accidents but it is done for this season.:(
 
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Good info Skylar!

I agree, we have to live with it, I just hope it works the way they think it will.
 
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ezra

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after the lawyers get involved after the first few deaths it will be looked at again real hard
 
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whitedust

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united said:
I agree with Whitedust. Bridge Ahead signs are very important and should not have been removed.

This is a link that lists all the available signs form http://www.midnr.com/Publications/pdfs/InsideDNR/forms/grants/PR1857.pdf
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I have had issues with blind bridge ahead & narrow bridge but at least I saw the sign & had time to prepare. Without those signs I just don't know what will happen? "God bless" any rider standing on a bridge if another rider comes thru he won't have time to adjust. Not that is smart to stand on a bridge but riders do it all the time & bridge ahead sign allows you to adjust sped & outlook.
 
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whitedust

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catalac said:
I guess we all need to do 30mph. from here on out!
Thats what they want anyway...
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That is exactly the problem you will not slow riders down without signs just will not work. Riders set their pace & ride...... signage should be placed as warnings to bridges or curves. Curves probably OK with new signs but not OK removing bridge ahead or narrow bridge signs. Really has nothing to do with speed some bridges are blind at any speed & need sign to know it is there. Sure if you can see a bridge with plenty of outlook a sign is not necessary during the day but at night just will not have a warning until on bridge no matter the outlook. Just not discreet & flawed thinking.:(
 
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xcr440

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catalac said:
I guess we all need to do 30mph. from here on out!
Thats what they want anyway...
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Partially true, I think what they are striving for more so, is for people to ride a speed that allows them to react as far as they can see.

If you are flying down a rail grade, hopefully you can see far enough in a straight line to react. On a curvy trail in the woods? Not so much.

I like to ride agressively, but if I can't see around a corner, the speed goes down until I can see far enough to squeeze the trigger again. Would it be nice to know the corner is there? Sure it would. But if you don't know, they are hoping you ride "to the conditions" so to speak.

If you know there is a corner coming up, you adjust your position on the sled as to take that corner, without pulling off the trigger. At least that's how they see it.

I'm not trying to justify what's happening, just some of the thinking behind it.

Edit: As with anything these days, more signs cost more, so there is the money aspect to it. And as pointed out in another thread, more "Safety" or "Warning" features on a trail, does not translate to safer riding on a snowmobile.
 
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longtrack

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Give me a break, there has never been Signs on the Forest Roads and thats where we ride most of our Miles. Out west there are very few Signs and everyone rides accordingly. The worst thing that could happen is when one of you City Slickers starts to watch all the Signs instead of the Trail and then a Sign falls off the Post and you end up in the Bush.
 
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mride460

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longtrack said:
Give me a break, there has never been Signs on the Forest Roads and thats where we ride most of our Miles. Out west there are very few Signs and everyone rides accordingly. The worst thing that could happen is when one of you City Slickers starts to watch all the Signs instead of the Trail and then a Sign falls off the Post and you end up in the Bush.
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The worst thing that "COULD" happen?? It already does happen and its not alway the "city slicker" that is doing it...
 
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longtrack said:
Give me a break, there has never been Signs on the Forest Roads and thats where we ride most of our Miles. Out west there are very few Signs and everyone rides accordingly. The worst thing that could happen is when one of you City Slickers starts to watch all the Signs instead of the Trail and then a Sign falls off the Post and you end up in the Bush.
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That's a very poor comparison! Forest Roads and out west you hardly ever see another sled, or not close to you any way. On the trails of the WUP, traffic can be very heavy and it's a completely different type of riding than a FR or out west.
 
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sixball

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Just a quick update. A both at the Novi snow show had boards set up with the old and new signs. The new signs were clear and should do the job fine IMHO if placed well.
 
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fusionfool

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This is awsom. My wife hates bridges, and steep down hills. Now she will not even know that she has to worry until she has crossed, or gone down. Over all it will not effect our riding, as we are not pushing the limites of our ability to stop or slow down.
I hope this will not be an issue with oncoming traffic that does push the limits and can not hang in the turn they were not warned about. I can just see it now, more oncomming traffic on our side of the trail around curves that they were not expecting.
I also predict more deaths due to (failure to negotiate turn).
Best to all, and pass the work as much as we can.
 
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blkhwkbob

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longtrack said:
Give me a break, there has never been Signs on the Forest Roads and thats where we ride most of our Miles. Out west there are very few Signs and everyone rides accordingly. The worst thing that could happen is when one of you City Slickers starts to watch all the Signs instead of the Trail and then a Sign falls off the Post and you end up in the Bush.
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Out of curiosity, I checked the DNR fatality reports from Wisconsin and Michigan from 2012. Out of 26 deaths a total of 2 were riders from Illinois. I'm so sick of people like you who constantly blame "city slickers" (translation: Illinois people) for irresponsible riding. You might be more correct blaming the drunk locals who think that they are such good riders and so familiar with the trails and frozen bodies of water that "nothing can happen to me," so they override their abilities and venture out into open water.
 
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hemi_newman

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longtrack said:
Give me a break, there has never been Signs on the Forest Roads and thats where we ride most of our Miles. Out west there are very few Signs and everyone rides accordingly. The worst thing that could happen is when one of you City Slickers starts to watch all the Signs instead of the Trail and then a Sign falls off the Post and you end up in the Bush.
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