No respect!

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fusion

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Team Elkhorn said:
How many of you have raised boys to adulthood? Those who have realize that arguing with one is like being pecked to death by a duck. I raised two, even when you are right, they will never admit defeat. What they lack in useful, real world experience, they make up for with a relentless, never ending, energy to argue. :D
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Team Elkhorn - you are SO right!
It ain't anything like it was with me growing up, when kids were supposed to have respect for adults, and if not....well.... consequences.

They NEVER, and I mean NEVER admit they are wrong, and god forbid they admit you were right. Argue until they/you are blue in the face - gawd, it's insane.
Frustrating is an understatement.
 
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lenny

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fusion said:
Team Elkhorn - you are SO right!
It ain't anything like it was with me growing up, when kids were supposed to have respect for adults, and if not....well.... consequences.

They NEVER, and I mean NEVER admit they are wrong, and god forbid they admit you were right. Argue until they/you are blue in the face - gawd, it's insane.
Frustrating is an understatement.
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just a question here. The behavior you are refering to, is it a wide spread thing like a generational thing or how do you describe it and why?
 
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russholio

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Skylar -- it' about 3 hours north of Detroit. Let me know if you come, I may join you! Or at least give you a place to stay.
 
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fusion

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lenny said:
just a question here. The behavior you are refering to, is it a wide spread thing like a generational thing or how do you describe it and why?
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My apologies, I did not tie the comment in with the general discussion.

Yes - I believe it is a generational thing, and it results from the fact that kids cannot be disciplined in this day and age, in any way. You can't touch them, and there's limits to what you can do with verbal abuse. I push the limits on the verbal reprimands, but ultimately this has minimal, if any effect. Kids are totally undisciplined these days, and in my case, it's not for lack of effort. But there are limits to what you can do to instill discipline, assuming the child is uncooperative and head strong - like mine.

I put myself in their shoes...in the old days if my parents could only yell at me, and nothing more, I probably wouldn't have changed a thing.
 
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polarisrider1

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Skylar said:
So in snojoes world, if a landowner wants to stop a snowmobiler from going across his lawn, he is an old fart? Hmmm, where is Higgins Lake? I would love to come down and go across your lawn with my sled, I mean you are not going to care right? You are not an old fart or anything, know what, maybe I will bring the atv down too, no biggy right?

Lenny, well said again my friend!
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Dave_B

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Skylar said:
So in snojoes world, if a landowner wants to stop a snowmobiler from going across his lawn, he is an old fart? Hmmm, where is Higgins Lake? I would love to come down and go across your lawn with my sled, I mean you are not going to care right? You are not an old fart or anything, know what, maybe I will bring the atv down too, no biggy right?QUOTE]

Skylar

As a Super Moderator, I would think that you would know that this type of post would reach beyond the morals and content of posts that John is looking for on HIS site.

I tried to back you up but you blew past the limits!

Dave
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polarisrider1

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Dave_B said:
Skylar said:
So in snojoes world, if a landowner wants to stop a snowmobiler from going across his lawn, he is an old fart? Hmmm, where is Higgins Lake? I would love to come down and go across your lawn with my sled, I mean you are not going to care right? You are not an old fart or anything, know what, maybe I will bring the atv down too, no biggy right?QUOTE]

Skylar

As a Super Moderator, I would think that you would know that this type of post would reach beyond the morals and content of posts that John is looking for on HIS site.

I tried to back you up but you blew past the limits!

Dave
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True. Some of us have been threatened with banishment for less.
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Skylar

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Dave_B said:
Skylar said:
So in snojoes world, if a landowner wants to stop a snowmobiler from going across his lawn, he is an old fart? Hmmm, where is Higgins Lake? I would love to come down and go across your lawn with my sled, I mean you are not going to care right? You are not an old fart or anything, know what, maybe I will bring the atv down too, no biggy right?QUOTE]

Skylar

As a Super Moderator, I would think that you would know that this type of post would reach beyond the morals and content of posts that John is looking for on HIS site.

I tried to back you up but you blew past the limits!

Dave
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I fixed it now. :)
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fredster

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I've been quietly following this thread but feel it's time to chime in....

I've been riding sleds since I was 10 and that was 39 years ago. Growing up riding fields in Ohio, we respected those farmers who had planted wheat and/or asked us not to ride their fields - it's their property period! We had no formal trail system so every "yes" we got expanded our "trail system". And we did ask every farmer that we could contact and 99% of the time they were fine with it as long as we were careful around their winter wheat. Did we jump snow banks and take chances? You bet! But we also respected the landowners rights and didn't go places we were told not to go. It's pretty hard to misinterpret a no trespassing sign.

Fast forward to 2001 and I get back into the sport with my wife and (then) 7 year old son....in the 11 years of riding since then we have always 'treaded lightly' when we ride - stay on the trail, obey the no trespassing signs, etc. My son started riding his own sled at 10, took snowmobile safety at 12 and for the past three years at age 16, 17 and 18 helped me teach the snowmobile safety class for our club. He is a bigger critic than me on people who don't follow the rules and who take unncessary risks. He understands the issues with landowners, loves snowmobiling and wants to help the sport and not see it die. Does he jump snowbanks? Absolutely! Do we ride fast? Yes when we can do so safely. And we ALWAYS stay right. But we do not ride in areas where there are signs or orange fencing or other obvious signs that we're not welcome. And we do not take blind corners wide or put others in jeopardy. He gets it.

I have never thought of myself as a super-parent, or someone who is a control freak, I'm just an average joe who enjoys snowmobiling with my kid. Guess I did something right and set the right example for him! Hopefully there's enough of his type to overcome the bad ones.

And no at 49 I don't view myself as an old fart - two weeks ago we rode 500 miles in the Munising area and had a blast. I also go tubing with my son and his buds in the summer (lots of sore muscles), drive a Chevy truck with a quiet but healthy sounding dual exhaust and also have a 1969 C10 pickup with a 350 horsepower V8 (my son drives it too and (again) does not takes chances that could get him in trouble). We pack in as much good, clean fun as we can, whenever we can....this old fart is having the time of his life! And I haven't found a need to break the rules or trespass in order to enjoy it!
 
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lenny

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fusion said:
My apologies, I did not tie the comment in with the general discussion.

Yes - I believe it is a generational thing, and it results from the fact that kids cannot be disciplined in this day and age, in any way. You can't touch them, and there's limits to what you can do with verbal abuse. I push the limits on the verbal reprimands, but ultimately this has minimal, if any effect. Kids are totally undisciplined these days, and in my case, it's not for lack of effort. But there are limits to what you can do to instill discipline, assuming the child is uncooperative and head strong - like mine.

I put myself in their shoes...in the old days if my parents could only yell at me, and nothing more, I probably wouldn't have changed a thing.
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thanks for your reply fusion, it does help me to understand. While I do believe we are within the law to physically discipline our children I understand where you are coming from
 
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frnash

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From a certified "old fart":

Snojoe:

1.
Couple years from now your post is going to read "no snowmobiling after dark it's to [sic] loud".
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Is that like "to Chicago", "to Detroit", "to loud"? No, that would be "too loud".

2.
"But common, [sic] a guy shows up at your door in his underware [sic] at 4 in the morning."
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Common? Oh come on, common what? Certainly not common sense!
Underware? Unless that's something on your computer (like software), then you mean underwear.

3.
Or a wide open golf coarse, [sic] …
... you never took the chance to ride through the golf coarse [sic] just once because you had to much respect for the coarse [sic]
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Lurnt that in yer English 'coarse' at Ferris State, didja? But of "course", it is a "golf course"!

5.
"Spend the two bucks and buy a mirror so you can keep track of them behinde [sic] you."
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Behinde? (pronounced "be-hind-ie"?)

6.
"I always pass in a safe manor [sic] …"
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I see polarisrider1 beat me to the draw on that one. (In a manor house?)

7.
"Beagle, not sure howb [sic] to add quotesl [sic] on theo [sic] iPad so thisw [sic] will workm [sic] for nowe [sic]. I want to apologizes [sic] for my spell check. As I am well aware now thanks to your little red pen. I will try harder in the future. Try to cut me some slack, I was always a "c" student. Smart guy like yourself should be able to figure it out."
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Sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic ... I feel sick! (Don'cha just love that 'vertchual' keyboard on da iPad?)

From Snojoe's profile:
"Graduate from 'ferris state university'."
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What, they never taught you to capitalize proper nouns, like "Ferris State University"?"

Have you considered contacting Ferris State for a refund? :)
In passing, here are a few more gems from this thread:

tom_s: (Just for attribution, I'm not pickin' on ya!)
"All I can say is wow!! Breaking out the spelling book on a few word's [sic]. I was feeling everone's [sic] opionion [sic] till the 'spelling test' came back I haven't posted on this site much as you can see, but every once in a while I will read a thread. This one caught my eye, Those sledder's [sic] where [sic] being disrespectful I totally agree. Snojoe had his own thought's [sic], I could relate to the snow bank jumping as a kid, and still today. I did'nt [sic] say driveway!! Snowbank, But if your having trouble reading a post with a few word's [sic] spelled wrong that's a little sad. We have all seen people doing stupid thing's [sic] before on sled's [sic] , wheeler's [sic] , and car's-truck's [sic]. But I really don't want to hear the ' If I was able to stop those A holes I would have givin them my 2cent's [sic] .' I want to read 'Well I stopped these guy's [sic] for F-in off and this is what happened.' For the record I have no idea who snojoe is."
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"Yep, if you don't want your yard tore up from snowmobile's [sic] move to Florida. Kidding. I have a ? for ya. My three boy's [sic] tear up my back lawn from playing football, soccer, and baseball, where do I move to??? lol"
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word's (word's what?),
everyone's (everyone's what?)
opionion (an "Opie Onion?")
sledder's where (sledder's what, and where was that?)
thought's (thought's what?)
did'nt (typo?)
sled's (sled's what?)]
wheeler's (wheeler's what?)
car's-truck's (car's & truck's what?)
2cent's (2cent's what?)
guy's (guy's what?)
snowmobile's (snowmobile's what?)
boy's (boy's what?)

Hints:
The apostrophe-s is a possessive form, as in my "boy's bicycle", the "dog's bone".
The plural form does not take an apostrophe, for example: "My boy", "my three boys".
Sometimes I just can't resist! English is a dying language!
 
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snoluver1

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frnash said:
Snojoe:

1.
Is that like "to Chicago", "to Detroit", "to loud"? No, that would be "too loud".

2.
Common? Oh come on, common what? Certainly not common sense!
Underware? Unless that's something on your computer (like software), then you mean underwear.

3.
Lurnt that in yer English 'coarse' at Ferris State, didja? But of "course", it is a "golf course"!

5.
Behinde? (pronounced "be-hind-ie"?)

6.
I see polarisrider1 beat me to the draw on that one. (In a manor house?)

7.
Sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic ... I feel sick! (Don'cha just love that 'vertchual' keyboard on da iPad?)

From Snojoe's profile:
What, they never taught you to capitalize proper nouns, like "Ferris State University"?"

Have you considered contacting Ferris State for a refund? :)
In passing, here are a few more gems from this thread:

tom_s: (Just for attribution, I'm not pickin' on ya!)



word's (word's what?),
everyone's (everyone's what?)
opionion (an "Opie Onion?")
sledder's where (sledder's what, and where was that?)
thought's (thought's what?)
did'nt (typo?)
sled's (sled's what?)]
wheeler's (wheeler's what?)
car's-truck's (car's & truck's what?)
2cent's (2cent's what?)
guy's (guy's what?)
snowmobile's (snowmobile's what?)
boy's (boy's what?)

Hints:
The apostrophe-s is a possessive form, as in my "boy's bicycle", the "dog's bone".
The plural form does not take an apostrophe, for example: "My boy", "my three boys".
Sometimes I just can't resist! English is a dying language! :(
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There's the old Nash! Here I thought you retired and gave up on all us meatballs!:D
 
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caged_beagle

Member
Wow!

frnash said:
Snojoe:

1.
Is that like "to Chicago", "to Detroit", "to loud"? No, that would be "too loud".

2.
Common? Oh come on, common what? Certainly not common sense!
Underware? Unless that's something on your computer (like software), then you mean underwear.

3.
Lurnt that in yer English 'coarse' at Ferris State, didja? But of "course", it is a "golf course"!

5.
Behinde? (pronounced "be-hind-ie"?)

6.
I see polarisrider1 beat me to the draw on that one. (In a manor house?)

7.
Sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic, sic ... I feel sick! (Don'cha just love that 'vertchual' keyboard on da iPad?)

From Snojoe's profile:
What, they never taught you to capitalize proper nouns, like "Ferris State University"?"

Have you considered contacting Ferris State for a refund? :)
In passing, here are a few more gems from this thread:

tom_s: (Just for attribution, I'm not pickin' on ya!)



word's (word's what?),
everyone's (everyone's what?)
opionion (an "Opie Onion?")
sledder's where (sledder's what, and where was that?)
thought's (thought's what?)
did'nt (typo?)
sled's (sled's what?)]
wheeler's (wheeler's what?)
car's-truck's (car's & truck's what?)
2cent's (2cent's what?)
guy's (guy's what?)
snowmobile's (snowmobile's what?)
boy's (boy's what?)

Hints:
The apostrophe-s is a possessive form, as in my "boy's bicycle", the "dog's bone".
The plural form does not take an apostrophe, for example: "My boy", "my three boys".
Sometimes I just can't resist! English is a dying language! :(
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I could do you no justice, frnash.

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