Open Up Oil Reserves!

whitedust

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A day late & a dollar short but they are finally going to do it! Too bad it took so long & they should have been proactive months ago to avoid the very soft patch the world is going thru now. Keep screwing with the high price of oil & a double dip will be upon us as soon as Q4. I'm sooooooooooo tired of no jobs & a economy of 2.3% growth which can't even absorb kids coming in from high school & college never mind the poeple that are under employed & the jobless. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-and-others-plan-biggest-apf-472871588.html?x=0
 
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Everything Obama does now is political and is only aimed at his re-election. How else could you explain doing this now, after prices had begun to stabilize? It makes no sense. He knows there will be no more stimulus money, the Fed has slowed printing money, and this is his only chance to get the economy going in the right direction. It is too little, too late!
 

Firecatguy

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Everything Obama does now is political and is only aimed at his re-election. How else could you explain doing this now, after prices had begun to stabilize? It makes no sense. He knows there will be no more stimulus money, the Fed has slowed printing money, and this is his only chance to get the economy going in the right direction. It is too little, too late!

agreed!!!!next illegal Mexicans will be free!!!!drill for gas and Gay marriage!!!That should get him enuff votes to win next election....
 
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squat

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Do not open up the oil reserves, it would be a very temporary downfall in prices, then they would go back up real quick. Regulate the crooks speculating on oil futures.

You got that right. I saw the law Obama passed last year for transparence in speculating of oil. What it did was relieve them from prosecution and now we can see that their ripping us off with no penalty. Before that law passed speculators were getting about $9 a barrel over actual. The last 5 months they have been getting $27 a barrel. We see what they’re doing but can’t do a damn thing about it.
 

polarisrider1

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Arizona for algae research. Must be government run. Pick a dry arid enviroment and lets grow algae? Sure would be nice if it works. 800 scientists, (must be displaced NASA employees who didn't take the buy out). It would be great to syphon off pond scum and drive. Back to the future.
 
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whitedust

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Well, as this thread said at the start, ots open now and it has not helped a bit!

Per gallon cost dropped 10 cents last week in USA in light of the annoucement & speculators bailed as fast as the could. How is that NOT helping?? Price per gallon down in 1 week heck not even a drop entered the market yet & the price still dropped. It will lower price of gasoline & put more money in everyone's pocket. How long is the question?
 

dcsnomo

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Per gallon cost dropped 10 cents last week in USA in light of the annoucement & speculators bailed as fast as the could. How is that NOT helping?? Price per gallon down in 1 week heck not even a drop entered the market yet & the price still dropped. It will lower price of gasoline & put more money in everyone's pocket. How long is the question?

Here's what I don't understand- Yes, the announced release of 60MM barrels of oil (30MM by U.S.) has caused speculators to re-evaluate their position and begin to sell, thus driving prices down. But, the U.S, uses 20MM barrels a day.

How is the release of 36 hrs worth of consumption going to solve anything? BTW, that is not a criticism, it truly is a question.
 

frnash

Active member
Not to mention that the total capacity (not the current supply) of the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (the largest emergency supply in the world) is 727 million barrels, less than a 35 day supply. Wow, that'll make a dent in imports. — Not!
 
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whitedust

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The way I see it they sent speculators into a tail spin so they can't inflate prices as other world governments are releasing their reserves as well. Oil producing nations can't just pull the plug on planned production either the gasoline is already out there in the market pipeline. The world economy has slowed, using less oil so we probably will have lower price per gallon prices for at least 90+ days which in turn should help each person more like eliminating a tax burden effective right now. How low will gas go for how long are the questions? I see it as good thing not a cure all but as long as world governments can keep speculators off balance we will pay less. Also oil producing nations got some pushback that they never felt before keeping them off balance. Who knows how this all adds up at the end of the year but if we were willing to do it once we will do it again as I said we finally have some push back. It is a good thing too bad we didn't do it end of Q1 before economy soften in Q2 & probably won't get rolling again until Q4. For me I'll take the perk lots better than a stick in the eye.LOL
 

frnash

Active member
Hey, after we significantly deplete the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (How long ago was that oil purchased, and at what price?) we can borrow more money from the Chinese to refill it at the then current (i.e. higher) oil price.

Now there's a plan that will take care of our oil supply issues as well as the current deficit and national debt! :eek:
 

Admin

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Whitedust-

If you really think that move to release that little amount of oil from the strategic reserves has caused spec traders to bail and prices to drop, I have a bridge I'll sell ya!

You might want to take a look at all commodities and see how just about all of them have been tanking since the same time frame.

The bottom line is lots of investors think we are on the verge of another 2008 and are dumping anything that would lose value in a recession.

It was nothing more than a hail-mary pass to try and stop the slide. Economy is in real trouble, which means the sitting president is too. Repubs can smell it like sharks smell blood in the water. Why do you suppose they are coming out of the woodwork to run in 2012 like rats in a cheese factory?

-John
 

dcsnomo

Moderator
Whitedust-

If you really think that move to release that little amount of oil from the strategic reserves has caused spec traders to bail and prices to drop, I have a bridge I'll sell ya!

You might want to take a look at all commodities and see how just about all of them have been tanking since the same time frame.

The bottom line is lots of investors think we are on the verge of another 2008 and are dumping anything that would lose value in a recession.

It was nothing more than a hail-mary pass to try and stop the slide. Economy is in real trouble, which means the sitting president is too. Repubs can smell it like sharks smell blood in the water. Why do you suppose they are coming out of the woodwork to run in 2012 like rats in a cheese factory?

-John

Bridge to sell ya
Hail Mary pass
sharks smell blood in the water
coming out of the woodwork
rats in a cheese factory

Wow...might be a record!
 

whitedust

Well-known member
Whitedust-

If you really think that move to release that little amount of oil from the strategic reserves has caused spec traders to bail and prices to drop, I have a bridge I'll sell ya!

You might want to take a look at all commodities and see how just about all of them have been tanking since the same time frame.

The bottom line is lots of investors think we are on the verge of another 2008 and are dumping anything that would lose value in a recession.

It was nothing more than a hail-mary pass to try and stop the slide. Economy is in real trouble, which means the sitting president is too. Repubs can smell it like sharks smell blood in the water. Why do you suppose they are coming out of the woodwork to run in 2012 like rats in a cheese factory?

-John
Not in the last week I disagree. I do agree it is politcally motivated but gas prices had not dropped at the rate of other commodities & in fact was going up a little & down a little. Agree there is no money left for anything but Hail Merry Passes BUT NO WAY do I think we are on the verge another 2008 economic market collapse. I have a lot of skin in the game & I think selling off everything now would be very fool hardy only did that once & was on the upside when I did sell way before the collapse. But to each his own & Im still in up to my neck thinking things will get better in Q4. It is little concern to me which party will have the office of president in the next election I am investing right now & the election in relation to the market is just too far off with way too many variables to worry about that now. Is there somebody better in 2012 not sure but I hope so.
 

Skylar

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Staff member
I personally think we are on the verge of another 2008, things really are not that much better than they were 2-3 years ago. The housing industry has not even come close to recovering. I just found out today that the company I work for filed chapter 11 on Friday. We make countertops, 'nuff said. 20 years I have worked here. Hopefully things will change in the next 8-10 months, or someone will probably be looking for a job at the ripe age of 43. :(

I said it earlier in this thread, opening the strategic oil reserves will do little, sure, a quick downfall in gas/oil for a bit, then it will be back to business as usual.

I am sorry to all the lefties on here, and don't mean to be political, but Obama has not done jack crap.
 

ezra

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we would not have to release oil from the reserve if we did not have children in control of how and what when we can use and collect the abundant natural resources our own country has to offer
 

Skylar

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Staff member
Gas up 3-4 cents today at closing, oil up a wee bit also.

Why Gasoline Prices Refuse to Slide By STEVE AUSTIN for OIL-PRICE.NET, 2011/06/27


Crude oil prices have been in the news off-late for the sudden fluctuations in the international market. Various factors such as a weak global economy, a strong dollar, and easing of tensions in the Middle-East have all led to the fall during the April-June 2011 period. The price per barrel of crude is around $90 as of June 2011. However, the price of gas at the filling station has stayed pretty steady at $4 per gallon or thereabouts depending upon which part of the country you live in. According to our estimates, the price of one gallon of gas will average at around $3.86 during the summer holiday season of 2011.
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The price per gallon of gas at the pump is determined by various complicated factors and a whole range of issues which includes - the demand and supply of crude oil along with factors like inflation, local taxes and changes in currency valuations. A typical breakup of the per gallon gas price would be as follows:
  • Price of crude oil - 68%
  • Federal and state taxes - 14%
  • Refining costs - 10%
  • Distribution and marketing costs - 5%
  • Profit margins - 3% Though demand and supply is responsible for substantial hikes, "free enterprise" is to be blamed at all other occasions. And how? The moment there is speculation that crude will be trading higher, retailers usually increase their prices in an attempt to keep their margins intact for future purchases. Contrarily, when the price of the crude decreases, retailers are not inclined to lower rates as fast as they have raised it in order to maximize profits.
    When the crude is in an upward spiral, the retailers have little or no opportunity to earn profits. But when the crude is cheaper, they see a chance to capitalize on the situation and delay lowering of prices at the pump. It might be correct from their point of view because if they suffer losses, they may have to shut down their business. This in turn will lead to fewer jobs, lesser competition and even higher gas prices.
    Blame the Government

    For the present situation, lay the blame on the federal monetary policy for the spiraling commodity prices, including the oil. The Obama administration's proposal to do away with tax breaks for the oil industry has increased the cost of production; this is reflected in form of high gas prices at pumps. The fact is, not only major oil companies, even small domestic firms are being affected by this move. Small firms account for about 90 percent of the country's oil and gas wells, and abolishing tax breaks does not bode well for gas prices in the domestic market. Reduced domestic oil production and supply will lead to greater reliance on foreign oil pushing us into the vicious cycle again.
    The government also recently decided to curtail drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. This has led to supply shortage of 10 percent making gasoline more expensive. And this according to me has made profit-loss graph equation of oil companies very volatile. In simple terms, they make a profit when the going is good and the moment they feel threatened by higher taxes, they simply transfer the price rise to consumers.
    Stockpiling of Crude

    There also have been reports that some oil companies stockpile crude instead of sending it to the refineries when the prices are low. The logic is to make profits when the prices rise further in the global market. With the price of crude dropping significantly and demand for gasoline expected to rise with the onset of 2011's summer, these companies hope to make a killing when the crude starts moving upwards.
    Gas Tax Woes

    Another important factor that determines the price of gas at the pump is the tax that is levied on gasoline sales. Every state has its own policy in this regard and that is one reason for the difference in gas prices across the nation. The national gas tax has stayed at 18.4 cents since the mid 1990s. Tax collected in this manner is usually spent on public transportation within the state. California has the highest gas taxes at about 47 cents per gallon while Alaska has the lowest at 8 cents.
    In Indiana, it's double taxation for consumers because the state has a 7 percent tax on sales along with a 8 cents per gallon tax. California, Illinois, and Michigan, also have similar sales taxes though the percentage levied varies. The high price of gasoline has not been a deterrent to the many states planning to further increase their gas taxes. This is because higher prices at the pump fetch more money in the form of sales tax and this boosts the state's budget significantly. Connecticut, Maryland, Hawaii, and Nebraska have passed legislation on gas tax hikes. New York, however, is toying with the idea of doing away with its gas tax of 33 cents a gallon.
    Outlook for Gas Prices

    We expect that prices will come down during the summer of 2011 and will stay that way till late July or so. This is when the hurricane season would have set in and offshore drilling platforms and refineries often have to shut down operations due to storms.
    After a small gain, prices are likely to drop again by the end of October or early November 2011. However, natural calamities or political upheavals in any part of the globe will have an impact on the price of crude and may push up rates at gas stations in their wake. Speculators are also, to a certain extent, responsible for the drastic fluctuations in gas prices.

 
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