Price of Michigan trail permit last year?

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HardwaterHoosier

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dickmsp said:
The point is everything regarding a snowmobile trip is going up. Vehicle and snowmobile gas. Oil. Lodging. Sleds. Food. Clothing. Gear. Income isn't increasing as fast as costs are.
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Thats what I was getting at. $10 is affordable, but to drive from Indiana to Munising and back, sled gas, and the "extra $10 per sled", the trip will cost about $250-$350 more this year.
It open your eyes to closer or cheaper options. --- Like a going to my parents place in SE Wisconsin. Free lodging and 3 hour closer. The downfall is having to drive through IL.:p
 
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Polarice

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HardwaterHoosier said:
Thats what I was getting at. $10 is affordable, but to drive from Indiana to Munising and back, sled gas, and the "extra $10 per sled", the trip will cost about $250-$350 more this year.
It open your eyes to closer or cheaper options. --- Like a going to my parents place in SE Wisconsin. Free lodging and 3 hour closer. The downfall is having to drive through IL.:p
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I tried to budget myself this year and upcoming years. No more trailering sleds except for once per year. That will cut the fuel cost by 7mpg. Of course the cabin payment, plowing service, and taxes will probably just make it a wash after many, many years.
 
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dan wilson

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alot of you guy's don't have a clue what it cost's to maintain a tractor,drag's,fuel,sign's,brushing,bridges,go to the m.s.a sight and it show's you where the money goes,right down to the penny,I volunteer to brush,groom for my snowmobile club,I spend many hours doing this so we have a nice safe place to ride,get involved in the sport of snowmobiling and you will see this is cheap compared to other state's,we have over 6000 miles to maintain,the extra money is going to buy easment's,so we don't lose trail's and connection's,voleunteer a little time to a club or m.s.a
 
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polarisrider1

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longtrack said:
Like I said before when your income drops something has to go and my MSA membership and the Raffle Tickets I always bought are optional. The Stickers are mandatory and required. If I am going to be able to continue to ride my Sled some items will have to be cut. Our business is off by about 40% and I do not see a change until we have a new election and the big Lib is sent back to Chicago.
A new higher TAX does not always increase revenues, and I will bet anyone a Pastie at Krupps that Trail Permit sales will drop this year.
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Here we go again with the politics crap. My business has been off 80% and a guy named Bush was in office during that time. Support MSA, they are the Heart of the trail system and they do fight big government with your dues for all our interests. The trail permits are a neccesary evil.
 
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skidoo50

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Boy, did I open up a can of worms or what? I thought the cost of the permits last year was $25.00
I will still ride regardless of the cost. It was just a simple question! Sorry guys and gals, I wasn't trying to start anything.
 
xsledder

xsledder

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Hoosier said:
I think it's going to stay constant for 5 years now. I am not trying to sound like a ****, but look at the MSA website and there are explanations for the increases (at least there were last year). There is way more grooming than there used to be, trails are now maintained to a different standard, etc. I know people are pissed, but it's better to try to understand the causes for the increases than to complain on here about it. The MSA is open to feedback.
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Based on the fact you singled out my post, please explain to me where exactly I'm complaining? I see I made a simple statement, stated some prices about Wisconsin's premit costs, made a prediction, and then asked a question. Again, please explain to me where the complaint is in my post you singled out?
 
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Hoosier

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xsledder said:
Based on the fact you singled out my post, please explain to me where exactly I'm complaining? I see I made a simple statement, stated some prices about Wisconsin's premit costs, made a prediction, and then asked a question. Again, please explain to me where the complaint is in my post you singled out?
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I was just responding to your question regarding when the increases will stop, which seems to infer that prices are increasing at an unjustifiable rate. I didn't intend to refer to you with the rest of the comments...I said "people" are complaining, which wasn't intended to single you out.
 
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sixball

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Do I like paying more? No
Does Michigan have some of the best snowmobiling? Yes
I think Michigan has done much better over the last years. Thanks to clubs taking over grooming. MSA has done a very good job.
As brought up this money is doing much more then most think. How much privet land would we be using if it was not being insured, and lobbing for the use. This is why we need to pay attention to noise levels, people running off trail on privet or posted land. Don't leave your trash behind. Its little things that can make or brake our land use.
I for one will reach into my pocket and pay. Oh and Thank you to all helping.
 
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Hoosier

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Gas prices have had more of an impact for me than anything else. We used to regularly ride 300 mile days. Just a blast to go all out all day long (on the correct side of the trail of course and without alcohol). The cost to do so is now over $100 for a 2 stroke before you even think about oil. In the total cost of riding, it might not add up all that much, but it also costs more to get to where you want to go, etc. We made adjustments such as riding more in Wisconsin where the trails are not as wide so the pace is slower but just as fun. Or watching other expenses to compensate (have the end of the day drinks at the hotel or cabin instead of at a bar).

Another thing that made me start thinking about gas prices was taking a trip West this past year. 3 of us drove a 30 mpg car out there and rented M8s. The rental sleds came with the first tank of gas each day, but we never had to put gas in them beyond the tank we started the day with. Of course we had the costs of the rentals, but had we not already owned sleds, it's probably cheaper in total to ride out there than in the UP. I still love trail riding in the UP and Wisconsin so I probably won't give that up, but riding out there uses a heck of lot less gas.
 
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rakins800

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HardwaterHoosier said:
Thats what I was getting at. $10 is affordable, but to drive from Indiana to Munising and back, sled gas, and the "extra $10 per sled", the trip will cost about $250-$350 more this year.
It open your eyes to closer or cheaper options. --- Like a going to my parents place in SE Wisconsin. Free lodging and 3 hour closer. The downfall is having to drive through IL.:p
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The big problem would be the fact that you would be sledding in SE Wisconsin...........
 
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jeff

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where does all the money from state funding go dont the clubs get paid so much per mile to groom like wi? you all must be riding diff trails then I do when I come up north. They were never the best in fact any and all trails seemed to be terrible any time after one oclock in the afternoon. And before that they were never that GREAT. Just my experience. If they need to create more revenue they should charge the buisnesses that profit from the trail systems.
 
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polarisrider1

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jeff said:
where does all the money from state funding go dont the clubs get paid so much per mile to groom like wi? you all must be riding diff trails then I do when I come up north. They were never the best in fact any and all trails seemed to be terrible any time after one oclock in the afternoon. And before that they were never that GREAT. Just my experience. If they need to create more revenue they should charge the buisnesses that profit from the trail systems.
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I suspect you ride on holiday weekends. Never charge the businesses, they provide jobs and jobs=tax paying workers. The UP businesses are struggling as it is and now you want to penalize them for being there to provide you gas,food and lodging all the while trying to create jobs and feed their families. WOW!
 
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jeff

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No I am not a holiday rider. penalize? What if no one rode the trails or the trails were closed? I think you have it backwards. Without the trail riders there would be no trail. businesses would be gone and no revenue for anyone.
 
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whitedust

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Most UP biz that profit from snowmobiling donate time & money to maintaining trails. It would be great if MI did not increase costs for trail permits but is not the case. What it boils down to ......Is it worth it to you to purchase a MI permit for time spent riding MI trails? For me it is worth it but not happy about the $10increase as I spent most of my riding time in WI last year. Most years I spend more time on UP trails but conditions in Watersmeet & BC were just ok but not as good as past years. I sure hope LES makes it all the way to Lando & Phelps so we have great conditions all the way to the more traditional UP snow belts & no 60 degree temps in Feb again. :)
 
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700classic

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skidoo50 said:
Boy, did I open up a can of worms or what? I thought the cost of the permits last year was $25.00
I will still ride regardless of the cost. It was just a simple question! Sorry guys and gals, I wasn't trying to start anything.
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You'll think twice before doing this again, won't ya!:eek:
 
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caged_beagle

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jeff said:
where does all the money from state funding go dont the clubs get paid so much per mile to groom like wi? you all must be riding diff trails then I do when I come up north. They were never the best in fact any and all trails seemed to be terrible any time after one oclock in the afternoon. And before that they were never that GREAT. Just my experience. If they need to create more revenue they should charge the buisnesses that profit from the trail systems.
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Well, I started a reply earlier in this thread to your first post, Jeff. Then I decided not to post it realizing that there was nothing in it that was nice and hoping that someone (thanks, p1) would point out the obvious and do it in a cleaner way than I had thought too.

In your first post you stated that you only go to the UP twice, maybe three times a year. Let's say for argument sake you are riding on a three day weekend and are visiting the most times you stated earlier, three. Thats roughly 9 days of riding. Even in bad snow years we usually have at least 12 weeks (or 84 days) of groomable riding at least in the Western UP. That calculates to about 10% of the time that you are physically in the UP, riding a snowmobile on groomed trails. I would imagine the true number is much lower than 10% but I feel forgiving here.

So, you are basically determining your opinion on less than 10% of actual time that the trails are being groomed. That hardly seems like an acceptable amount of time to come to such a harsh conclusion? I feel bad for you that you have to drive all the way north to ride, pay for a trail sticker and then be so disillusioned at the system. I on the other hand can ride right from my garage door and I do it probably about 60% (way more than 10% for you math flunkies, haha) of the time during the winter that the trails are being groomed and I have to say I rarely see a bump. Sure, if you want to ride at high traffic times like noon on a Saturday and do it around tourist spots like LG or CH then you get what you get.

As others have posted, you pay at least $10,000 for a sled; gas and oil ARE TOO expensive; if you drive to your sledding destination you have probably at least a $20,000 tow rig and comparable trailer; OVERPRICED insurance for said vehicles; cashooola for lodging, dinners, drinks and sh*t paper.......IS $45 REALLY A DEAL BREAKER????????? I DON'T GET IT!

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