End user prices are based on forecast of quantity OEM build. Price to build can go way up if quanites fall off forecast to their suppliers. OEMs also need to show revenue growth to share holders and if no incremental revenue the bottom falls out of forecasted guidance. OEMs will build fewer sleds in 2017 ..imo... and dollar growth will be via price increase..just the way it goes in a shrinking market place until there are less competitors competing for a limited end user market. No doubt Yamaha is at this crossroads in 2018 for 2019 line up. Imo Yamaha /Textron needs to meet make plans for future of mutal OEM agreement for Yamaha sleds in TRF. Textron really does not need Yamaha anymore with new 600 & 800 2s ctec engines & infusion of Textron investment. Both Textron and Yamaha owe the market a public statement of intended direction for snowmobiles. There is so much speculation negative and positive that something needs to be communicated to clear the air....imo.
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Price of new sleds
- Thread starter jebjk1
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End user prices are based on forecast of quantity OEM build. Price to build can go way up if quanites fall off forecast to their suppliers. OEMs also need to show revenue growth to share holders and if no incremental revenue the bottom falls out of forecasted guidance. OEMs will build fewer sleds in 2017 ..imo... and dollar growth will be via price increase..just the way it goes in a shrinking market place until there are less competitors competing for a limited end user market. No doubt Yamaha is at this crossroads in 2018 for 2019 line up. Imo Yamaha /Textron needs to meet make plans for future of mutal OEM agreement for Yamaha sleds in TRF. Textron really does not need Yamaha anymore with new 600 & 800 2s ctec engines & infusion of Textron investment. Both Textron and Yamaha owe the market a public statement of intended direction for snowmobiles. There is so much speculation negative and positive that something needs to be communicated to clear the air....imo.
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Whitedust is right. Nobody knows what is going to happen with AC. And their agreement with Yami. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Yami dropped out of the picture completely after their 50th anniversary. That is why I am ordering a Sidewinder now when I can still get one. The perfect sled for a fat old geezer with diminished reflexes.
pwolfy2003
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All good points, Grub to me $2,000 means alot , especially if I can save it on a new sled that doesnt have every amenity on,then can afford to do more trips and have other hobbies too.
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Cirrus_Driver
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Totally agree. I'll never snow-check a sled again. There's no shock worth $2000. I'd just move to a different model with something comparable.All good points, Grub to me $2,000 means alot , especially if I can save it on a new sled that doesnt have every amenity on,then can afford to do more trips and have other hobbies too.
Now that Yamaha is no longer wanting, or willing to build their own complete snowmobile, they are already in the ditch. Grub nailed it! If you want one you better get it. 2 years, and then poof!!! The Appex/Vector maybe only 1 more year. It's a shame to have a company that capable, but unwilling. It's all $$$$$$$$$$$
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If you purchase a Sidewinder without the QS3 shocks it is about like buying a cake without frosting. If I am going to spend that much on a sled I am going to spend a little more and get the total package. I have had Yam is before. The baseline shocks are junk.
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Always respect your opinion Skylar but this time might be different. AC employees were bringing their own toilet paper and office supplies to work in the weeks leading up to the sale to Textron. AC was already done. Textron did not buy AC because they are nice guys. They bought AC to make money. When the Textron been counters count their beans they are going to see the obvious. AC is losing money on sleds. OK now we can either invest many millions to go up against Doo who is fully committed and has some Damn good product. Also Pol is right there. They don't sell as much but they have deep pockets and probably are not going anywhere. The Yamaha been counters have already counted their beans and have decided there are better ways to make money than sleds. So why not just finish up the agreement with Yamaha, get rid of some already in the works stuff and then just quietly go away. I can see it happening. We could easily be down to 2 edge very soon. It is all about money.
pwolfy2003
Member
If it would happen it would be a dirty shame to quit making Yamis, sure you guys can all complain about the weight but the dependability of the Yamahas is 2nd to none. I just wish I wouldnt have wasted so many years and so much money and downtime during the peak of short snowmobiling seasons with the Poos in the shop.