Question on social distancing

[james88]

I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the dooms day people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

 

[slimcake]

Lighten up Sally. How is there an answer to the unknown?? Have a drink. Hug your partner. Sleep well. I think we are gonna be just fine!!

 

[Tracker]

Lighten up Sally. How is there an answer to the unknown?? Have a drink. Hug your partner. Sleep well. I think we are gonna be just fine!!

X2....media is going viral....lol

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I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the dooms day people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

Try this

http://forum.johndee.com/vbulletin/...-began-and-how-to-cure-it&p=492808#post492808

 

[LoveMyDobe]

X2....media is going viral....l

Im floored with the media saying zoo worker in NY gave it to the tigers, sorry that so wrong.

 

[euphoric1]

I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the dooms day people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

I thought that number was more like 2.2 million initially... that low now? Hmmmm not saying we should look the other way either at 60,000 but that is where I question the doomsday people and the criers that think this economic destruction is justifiable, and that social distancing is the answer, why don't we repeat this every year flu or whatever season returns, factual numbers flu kills on average half a million people, so if this is working and after original predictions we are now cut back way more than half, if we could even reduce deaths by 200,000 next flu season why not repeat this all again? why wouldn't it be worth it? if this is the right thing to do as the criers and preppers claim. 6 million people without jobs, who knows how many businesses will never reopen, not enough money to cover unemployment, claims not even being processed because of lack of staff, SBA fund going to fall way short of needs, banks still don't know how to process loans as there are yet rules of how to handle sole proprieter businesses. if the new predictions are indeed 60,000 WE NEED TO PUT AMERICA BACK TO WORK!!! NOW!!!!

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X2....media is going viral....l

Im floored with the media saying zoo worker in NY gave it to the tigers, sorry that so wrong.

sounds more like inquirer front page news!

 

[tquick67675]

Lighten up Sally. How is there an answer to the unknown?? Have a drink. Hug your partner. Sleep well. I think we are gonna be just fine!!

Amen!!!

 

[tquick67675]

I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the doomsday people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

There isn't a control group that didn't practice social distancing. So you can't say.

Japan and Sweden I believe have NOT locked down.

Japan less than 100 deaths.

Sweden less than 1000 deaths.


The greatest depression is coming... but hey we saved some people.

 

[tquick67675]

I thought that number was more like 2.2 million initially... that low now? Hmmmm not saying we should look the other way either at 60,000 but that is where I question the doomsday people and the criers that think this economic destruction is justifiable, and that social distancing is the answer, why don't we repeat this every year flu or whatever season returns, factual numbers flu kills on average half a million people, so if this is working and after original predictions we are now cut back way more than half, if we could even reduce deaths by 200,000 next flu season why not repeat this all again? why wouldn't it be worth it? if this is the right thing to do as the criers and preppers claim. 6 million people without jobs, who knows how many businesses will never reopen, not enough money to cover unemployment, claims not even being processed because of lack of staff, SBA fund going to fall way short of needs, banks still don't know how to process loans as there are yet rules of how to handle sole proprieter businesses. if the new predictions are indeed 60,000 WE NEED TO PUT AMERICA BACK TO WORK!!! NOW!!!!

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sounds more like inquirer front page news!

What he said.

 

[dcsnomo]

I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the dooms day people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

Virus is transmitted by human to human contact. Social distancing reduces human to human contact. That does 2 things:
1. Slows the rate...flattens the curve
2. Reduces the number of infections

Therefore, the answer to your question is yes and yes

 

[euphoric1]

Virus is transmitted by human to human contact. Social distancing reduces human to human contact. That does 2 things:
1. Slows the rate...flattens the curve
2. Reduces the number of infections

Therefore, the answer to your question is yes and yes

Im not trying to start argument, just voicing opinion...
If the models had projected 60k instead of millions dead originally would we have shuttered the economy or should we have? and then as you said it flattens the curve, reduces the infections then we should definitely do this every year to curb an illness that historically kills half a million people each and every year. I cant wait...this is so much fun! not to mention putting 6.6 million people out of work is always a good idea as well!

 

[candyman]

Im not trying to start argument, just voicing opinion...
If the models had projected 60k instead of millions dead originally would we have shuttered the economy or should we have? and then as you said it flattens the curve, reduces the infections then we should definitely do this every year to curb an illness that historically kills half a million people each and every year. I cant wait...this is so much fun! not to mention putting 6.6 million people out of work is always a good idea as well!

Great points! This country is being ran by The Media,Social Media and Soccer Moms. Better get use to this I guess.

 

[whitedust]

Economic shut down is unsustainable must end soon! Recession is recoverable a depression is crushing can’t be allowed to happen. Imo we open up in WI no later than May 1. The recovery will not be instant anyway and will take time for the public to congregate with confidence. Some workers have gone on to other things and will not return to the same old job. Imo the governor should have a task force organized NOW to turn the economy back on he turned it off darn well better have plans to turn on.

 

[james88]

Virus is transmitted by human to human contact. Social distancing reduces human to human contact. That does 2 things:
1. Slows the rate...flattens the curve
2. Reduces the number of infections

Therefore, the answer to your question is yes and yes.


But if we open up the economy with no s.d., wont we still have many infections occurring? (assume no vaccine).
Didnt we just "delay" the number of infections occurring by having people stay at home for a while?

 

[kip]

Agreed, businesses will start dropping like flies. You cannot sustain this for a long period of time I don't care what people say. Bills do not stop coming. The part I'm tired of is people telling each other what to do. Nobody has that right. Everyone has a opinion these days and has to be heard. If people would simply concentrate on themselves and not worry about what others are doing it sure would be a lot happier place. So glad I don't have facebook. Pretty sure I'd be issuing some airstrikes of my own! LOL!

 

[sweeperguy]

I'm thinking the economy will recover fairly quickly. Unlike recessions and depression of the past, that the economy itself faltered and crashed. With this being a "shutdown" , I believe it will recover much quicker. Casualties YES, but the recovery rate (I hope) will be measured in months, not years. I'm not an economist by any means. Yes it may be a little optimistic, but that's where I'm placing my faith at this time. My 401k has not suffered bad at all, and I think there is faith the markets will recover. They were due for a correction anyways, so if these hits fulfill that, it hopefully won't be terrible

 

[kip]

You said it sweeperguy, Faith! Gotta have it!

 

[Tracker]

X2....media is going viral....l

Im floored with the media saying zoo worker in NY gave it to the tigers, sorry that so wrong.

I didn't say all that...I only said media was going viral.....with an lol....you guys always do that with quotes....add shaz under my name

 

[snobuilder]

I am one of those people who thought all along that covid 19 was not much worse than the flu (after seeing between 20k-80k die EACH year from the flu )and have been ridiculed because of it.

The death models predicted doom and gloom of 600k or more deaths. Of course as it turns it that number is now down to 60k by end of this covid curve. Now the covid 19 doomsday people are saying, "see , even with social distancing in place, we still have 60k deaths. It would have been the 600k with no social distancing, thus proving it was indeed 10 times more deadly than the flu".

Question: So does social distancing just SLOW down the death rates so hospitals are not overrun. It does not eliminate deaths , just slows it down. Is that correct???

Thus, if we had no s.d, we would have had the 600k death very quickly get it over with, as opposed spreading it over 3-4 months with only allowing 60k deaths to slowly occur?

So do the dooms day people think that we will have 540k deaths come fall after s.d. is lifted? Can someone clear this up for me???

When the models were created and the scary number of cases and deaths were first used to establish a reason to shut down certain states, the ideas of social distancing along with sheltering in place were already factored into the equation.
So to answer your question, this is the hoax of a century and the numbers were total BS to scare the populous to accept a police state (test)

also the scary numbers were based on NYC/Italy stats...duh!

Don't believe the next round of lies that the shelter in place and SD some how drastically reduced the sick and death rates.

Go to any big box retalier and tell me about shelter in place...LOL....LOL....LOL

 

[whitedust]

When the models were created and the scary number of cases and deaths were first used to establish a reason to shut down certain states, the ideas of social distancing along with sheltering in place were already factored into the equation.
So to answer your question, this is the hoax of a century and the numbers were total BS to scare the populous to accept a police state (test)

also the scary numbers were based on NYC/Italy stats...duh!

Don't believe the next round of lies that the shelter in place and SD some how drastically reduced the sick and death rates.

Go to any big box retalier and tell me about shelter in place...LOL....LOL....LOL

Was shopping at big box yesterday wore a mask drew a mustache on it and did my shopping. Had to order special order doors and lady employee was scared felt bad for her assured her I was healthy but she wouldn’t get closer than 6-8 feet difficult to look at computer screen together so had her print out paper to make sure specs were correct. Lol. Same store checkout employees completely kicked back but kept my distance. All shopping carts are disinfected for you at entrances. Media FINALLY starting positive discussions of Reopening the economy and the stock market responded positively as well. Hopefully the media keeps the positive economy reopening reporting sustained so we can get back to work gradually day by day week by week month by month!!!

 

[dfattack]

Was shopping at big box yesterday wore a mask drew a mustache on it and did my shopping. Had to order special order doors and lady employee was scared felt bad for her assured her I was healthy but she wouldn’t get closer than 6-8 feet difficult to look at computer screen together so had her print out paper to make sure specs were correct. Lol. Same store checkout employees completely kicked back but kept my distance. All shopping carts are disinfected for you at entrances. Media FINALLY starting positive discussions of Reopening the economy and the stock market responded positively as well. Hopefully the media keeps the positive economy reopening reporting sustained so we can get back to work gradually day by day week by week month by month!!!

I was thinking the same thing regarding masks. Masks help others getting infected from the person wearing the mask. If you wear a mask and aren't infected...don't you give off the impression to the random stranger that you could be infected?