Question on trail pass backer

[Go Fast or Go Home]

It would be more practical to have a graduated system.

Example::::First two stickers at $48--$24 for the third sled--$12 for the fourth sled--then $6 each for any more...

Just a thought.

Don~

 

[chords]

Another point of view. Why should someone who is not riding on an " official " designated MI trail be required to purchase a trail sticker to be legal ?
( and therefore subsidizing others )

 

[sweeperguy]

Another point of view. Why should someone who is not riding on an " official " designated MI trail be required to purchase a trail sticker to be legal ?
( and therefore subsidizing others )

If only riding lakes, for fishing. Or only on private land don't need one.

Snowmobile Trail Permits

In addition to the regular 3-year snowmobile registration, all snowmobiles, except those operated exclusively on lands owned or under the control of the snowmobile owner or those operated on frozen waters for ice fishing, must display an annual Snowmobile Trail Permit sticker. This applies to both residents and nonresidents. A trail permit is not required for snowmobiles registered as a historic snowmobile.

 

[old abe]

Another point of view. Why should someone who is not riding on an " official " designated MI trail be required to purchase a trail sticker to be legal ?
( and therefore subsidizing others )

The DNR, or other law enforcement still deals with any illegal operation of a vehicle, such as a snowmobile. No matter where at. Subsidizing others????? IDK.

 

[indy_500]

Well, when I purchase my trail pass every year they have NO clue what machine the thing is going on. If you had to fill out a vin for each sticker I might feel differently about it but if you ask me for my opinion about transferring the sticker, swap away!!! You're paying to fund the trail system so you can ride your machine, regardless of what machine you're on you did your duty and bought the sticker...

 

[favoritos]

I am planning on buying one trail permit for each sled as the funds obviously go towards the support of a great cause (better trails). I assumed that was the case but wanted to confirm.

I am with you on the trail support. Why rob the people that help make a better ride?

We bring backup sleds for our trips and joke about the first break down because that rider is buying the new permit for the backup sled.

 

[chords]

Yeah Private land, exclusively to and from fishing is exempt.

Suppose one wants to just bomb around a lake or hug miles of shoreline hitting drifts. And the tips of the skis never touch a DNR trail all season. To bad and you gotta chip in $48 to be legal or those pesky DNR's will getch ya.

 

[skidoodoug]

I have/had a WI trail pass on all my sleds including the "spare" that never was on a trail last year.
Might just be me, but I am on the fence with the topic of swapping passes. Great points delivered by both perspectives.

 

[whitedust]

I feel bad for shelby ...asked a simple question ...explained himself ...now all this....will he ever post again?...I hear ya Indy this is not a big deal ..imo prolly does not happen very often....no need for anyone to get their pants in a twist.

 

[Tracker]

Yeah Private land, exclusively to and from fishing is exempt.

Suppose one wants to just bomb around a lake or hug miles of shoreline hitting drifts. And the tips of the skis never touch a DNR trail all season. To bad and you gotta chip in $48 to be legal or those pesky DNR's will getch ya.

I can help you on this one too.....in Indiana and I suspect most all states.....it states.....that ON A BODY OF WATER.....in which ever state the water is in IE, frozen, liquid or otherwise....your sled....MUST HAVE the sticker displayed to that particular sled because it is then treated as a watercraft....and our state sticker does double duty and is identical to a boats sticker....long story short....pulling kids on inner tube with ATV....ticket...no sticker for Indiana....pulling with sled.....no sticker displayed for state....ticket also.....your trail sticker for crossing lakes is the same thing....Indiana got wise and theres a bar code on each sticker that tells the vin number....cc's....year.....type...model...color....where registered....and on and on....the trail sticker does the same thing....its just that yer all locals when ya get pulled over....come to Indiana and see how they treat you with a Michigan sticker.....that's how we get treated in Michigan displaying an Indiana sticker....don't think they cant pull up trail sticker 617345263 and then go check the book that sticker came out of at a gas station....and then find out who it was sold too....and so on.....to sum it all up....it aint worth 50 bucks.....LOL

 

[durphee]

A little off topic but I have a feeling these stickers will eventually turn into a type of transponder, like an "IPass" minus the toll aspect of it. Where as you purchase a transponder, which can be very inexpensive, that can be read by a trail side reader. It gives the DNR the ability to see who own it, the make and model of sled and whether the sticker is up to date. LEO's can just sit in their truck and perform their checks. It can also minimize the size of the stickers. The transponders can also be used to purchase 3,5,7 day passes and easily be ID by DNR.
Per Shelby's question, i definitely understand your dilemna and wouldn't have a problem with using the same sticker on a limited basis.

 

[Tracker]

A little off topic but I have a feeling these stickers will eventually turn into a type of transponder, like an "IPass" minus the toll aspect of it. Where as you purchase a transponder, which can be very inexpensive, that can be read by a trail side reader. It gives the DNR the ability to see who own it, the make and model of sled and whether the sticker is up to date. LEO's can just sit in their truck and perform their checks. It can also minimize the size of the stickers. The transponders can also be used to purchase 3,5,7 day passes and easily be ID by DNR.
Per Shelby's question, i definitely understand your dilemna and wouldn't have a problem with using the same sticker on a limited basis.

Indiana does this...no ISLED pass yet....but the car scans the parking lot and the stickers on sleds bar code while driving by....the Indiana sticker must be displayed on the right side and left side of the boat.....er.....sled.....er....atv.....DOH

 

[Leadwing72]

shelby369, that word "permanently" is what I was trying to relate to for you. And I understand the 3 day "out of state" trail permit reasoning, but I have questions to do any "States" do this? How would the 3 day permit be priced so as to maintain the much needed revenues? Do you think this would increase the "out of state" riders? Would not Wisconsin need to do this also to prevent MI. from being shorted revenue from what they are getting now? IDK? Many aspects to this issue to getting it to workout. Ontario, Ca no longer issues a 7, or 3 day trail permit, but offer a by the day permit, with a 2 day minimum purchase. This works out to more cost per day than the 3, and 7 day permits used to cost.

That Ontario debacle to not sell the 3 or 7 day was a huge blow to the area north of Lake Huron/Algoma Country. It's a darn shame too, because prior to that foolish bureaucratic decision, that area was arguably some of the best riding in the Great Lakes. However, Ontario now offers a FREE weekend in February, but you have to go online and register and download a "temporary" permit to affix to your sled. We took advantage of it in 2014 and boy has it changed around there. Gas, food and lodging was scarce compared to late 90's and early 2000's. Those bureaucrats literally cut off their nose to spite their face eh?? Note to any Canadians reading this: Bringing back the 3 or 7 day would bring a lot of Americans back over the ice bridge!!!!!

 

[POLARISDAN]

maybe we should keep track of the persons complaining and those complaining about those complaining. See which is more?

hahahahahahahahaha..man its getting up there..it was more fun when we all fought with pr1

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seems to me the only controversy should be who has the best product the OP was asking for info about....but what fun is that?

BTW, JD..... does an alarm go off in your office when I post?....LOL....good edit....LOL

hahahaha..now why would that be? hmmmmmmmm?

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i think that may have been reworded since I last read the instructions.

cmon u dont read the rules...u write them

 

[shelby369]

I feel bad for shelby ...asked a simple question ...explained himself ...now all this....will he ever post again?...I hear ya Indy this is not a big deal ..imo prolly does not happen very often....no need for anyone to get their pants in a twist.

Hey Pete, I actually enjoy the "conversation" and sharing of thought.... I have four MI trail permits, they'll go on the newest sleds in the correct spot on windshield and the rest of sleds stay in WI ........all done.........

 

[whitedust]

Hey Pete, I actually enjoy the "conversation" and sharing of thought.... I have four MI trail permits, they'll go on the newest sleds in the correct spot on windshield and the rest of sleds stay in WI ........all done.........

Yes... I followed your posts and we have Lake Geneva in common. I used to live on the south shore west of the narrows..... Really great area & lake. To me you had a legit question and I would have approached the same way as you. Just had the feeling that some wanted to spank you a bit for asking like you got caught with hand in cookie jar.

 

[Grant Hoar]

Just make sure your two sleds have the same windshield, and switch the entire windshield. Not saying I have done that, but........ (I have)

 

[old abe]

That Ontario debacle to not sell the 3 or 7 day was a huge blow to the area north of Lake Huron/Algoma Country. It's a darn shame too, because prior to that foolish bureaucratic decision, that area was arguably some of the best riding in the Great Lakes. However, Ontario now offers a FREE weekend in February, but you have to go online and register and download a "temporary" permit to affix to your sled. We took advantage of it in 2014 and boy has it changed around there. Gas, food and lodging was scarce compared to late 90's and early 2000's. Those bureaucrats literally cut off their nose to spite their face eh?? Note to any Canadians reading this: Bringing back the 3 or 7 day would bring a lot of Americans back over the ice bridge!!!!!

Leadwing72; The big changes you found in Canada happened long before they changed the permit format. It's called "recession". Much more planning/timing needed for a trip now days than prior 2006. We rode up there, and seen it as it happened. The new permit format is what was asked for by snowmobilers to reduce the costs. The permit changes are not the cause, but rather the result of the slow economy on both sides of the boarder. The recession really reduced the visiting US riders, and Canadian riders also. Thus the businesses got hurt, and many evaporated. The Canadian lumber industry got hit hard. "Forestry" is a real big part of their economy. The UP, and many other areas also got "down sized" due to the recession, and for many of the same reasons. We will continue to ride in Canada as we can. They have real devout snowmobile riders, and supporters there.

 

[ezra]

I am all for funding the trails and I do a lot in my parts for the cause . that said I have no guilt in taking a trail sticker off my trail sled I used 2 days for a early season trip to my M for a mid season trip . I have no prob buying 2 passes if the wife decides she wants to go .
even when I am not ridding the trail I always stuff the map box cuz I know that cash has no administrative costs associated to it before it gets to the club that is actually doing the work where I am playing.
question id MSA getting any percentage of the gas tax? MNUSA worked a deal decades back and the dicks in St Paul are always attempting to steel it but our lobby as so far protected that cash.
I have been talking with a few people over the yrs and think MNUSA needs a snowmobile plate for cars with funds going to MNUSA . we have plates for every other cause . I know I would buy the plate with a sled on it as would pretty much every winter bud I have

 

[Leadwing72]

Leadwing72; The big changes you found in Canada happened long before they changed the permit format. It's called "recession". Much more planning/timing needed for a trip now days than prior 2006. We rode up there, and seen it as it happened. The new permit format is what was asked for by snowmobilers to reduce the costs. The permit changes are not the cause, but rather the result of the slow economy on both sides of the boarder. The recession really reduced the visiting US riders, and Canadian riders also. Thus the businesses got hurt, and many evaporated. The Canadian lumber industry got hit hard. "Forestry" is a real big part of their economy. The UP, and many other areas also got "down sized" due to the recession, and for many of the same reasons. We will continue to ride in Canada as we can. They have real devout snowmobile riders, and supporters there.

The "recession" is a systemic reason for folks cutting the Canadian riding from the budget, there is no doubt. But that can apply to many former hotbed riding areas. The lack of an affordable trail permit in Ontario (3 day) is largely responsible for the lack of riders in the area north of Lake Huron. Friends and family on Drummond Island and neighboring St. Joe's island and Elliot Lake have all expressed to me that the lack of the lesser priced option has crushed the interest in riding there. It all goes back to the pertinent post here that suggested packages and options with regard to visitors purchasing permits.