Real virus statistics

[Admin]

John, Im not looking for an argument or being negative toward your response so please don't take this that way, just voicing an opinion. "not sure why anyone still would be" my question is why not? ok... lets not compare covid-19 to the flu however fact of the matter is they are both viruses but lets forget that. and again death should never become an acceptable out, And I hope the numbers aren't as predicted or being hyped about, but the only number we have that is a definite is ones who have died as result of virus. The flu which is still a virus kills on average half a million people a year, on average here 30,000 to 60,000 people and this is with something we have a vaccine for. Why don't we cover the flu just as we are the covid-19, why don't we practice social distancing, shutter businesses, put people out of work. If this is really working lets say by doing this again next year we can reduce the number of fatalities by half... why don't we? We now have millions of people with out work and who knows how many of them will have a job to return to? can the unemployment pool continue to support millions upon millions and what of the businesses that will never reopen. So yes why don't we have the media coverage for flu season that kills so many people year after year after year, and if this is all working why don't we do the same if we can reduce fatalities, since we have no idea how many people have it how can we say its working?

I’m not sure my point was taken correctly, so I will do a better job to try to clarify. I stopped watching the main stream media 6 to 7 years ago, because after watching them totally batch or make up things regarding the atmosphere, I started to question their knowledge or they’re trustworthiness. I had conversations with other professionals such as my brother who is a commercial airline pilot and friends who are doctors and they all commented the same way, saying that most of what the news was presenting in those fields was also incorrect. So I decided to just stop watching because I was being misinformed, intentionally or unintentionally, It did not matter. It seems a lot of people these days have the same feeling about the media yet they continue to watch and complain so that’s why I ask why does anybody watch them anymore. I currently still am undecided as to if the measures put in place we’re over done or not. That means I’m not arguing with anybody on either side. What I do know about this virus vs. the seasonal flu (And this comes from many doctors saying the same thing, including an ER doctor I know in Chicago), is that if left unchecked, meaning no restrictions at all, this virus had the potential to kill 5-10% of the global population. The reason for this is they say 80% of the people that come down with it handle it just fine and need no hospital admission. The other 20% do need hospitalization and of that 20%, 25 to 50% need ventilators. Without the ventilators they would die. The whole purpose in slowing down the amount of cases with this virus is to allow healthcare to be able to treat people in the manner that is needed. They also said that if you need a ventilator it does not matter what age you are if you don’t get it you will die.I trust this information as it did not come from a political leader or the media and was repeated nearly Word for Word by every doctor I have researched that has been interviewed.

 

[gary_in_neenah]

Media! Don't get me started!! (darn it, too late) I haven't watched the big three network news in probably 15 years. I couldn't tell you who their anchors are and I don't care. Here's what i do if it's something big like the current events. I'll watch 20 minutes of Fox and then 20 minutes of MSNBC and assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Here's a quote from the great Civil War general, William Tecumseh Sherman

"If I had my choice I would hang every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from h e l l before breakfast."

 

[jime]

is it familiarity that breeds contempt and anxiety makes you scratch till you bleed. using yet another cliche "you are beating a dead horse"

 

[G]

You said some form of ' I ' 4 times in 24 words. That would qualify for some title somewhere. No matter. Mother Nature will scrub you off the face of the Earth. Just like a mosquito. Whether you have things to do is pretty much irrelevant. Your overdeveloped sense of self worth is rather amusing.

 

[G]

John Dees quit worrying. Even though saddled with pre existing conditions you are not an idiot and I would bet you have self isolated for 2 weeks already. Keep doing that. However you should at least be aware of the media. Shutting it off for 7 years keeps you out of that loop. You should at least be aware of what is going on with that side. In the mean time stay home. For at least month.

 

[Tracker]

I’m not sure my point was taken correctly, so I will do a better job to try to clarify. I stopped watching the main stream media 6 to 7 years ago, because after watching them totally batch or make up things regarding the atmosphere, I started to question their knowledge or they’re trustworthiness. I had conversations with other professionals such as my brother who is a commercial airline pilot and friends who are doctors and they all commented the same way, saying that most of what the news was presenting in those fields was also incorrect. So I decided to just stop watching because I was being misinformed, intentionally or unintentionally, It did not matter. It seems a lot of people these days have the same feeling about the media yet they continue to watch and complain so that’s why I ask why does anybody watch them anymore. I currently still am undecided as to if the measures put in place we’re over done or not. That means I’m not arguing with anybody on either side. What I do know about this virus vs. the seasonal flu (And this comes from many doctors saying the same thing, including an ER doctor I know in Chicago), is that if left unchecked, meaning no restrictions at all, this virus had the potential to kill 5-10% of the global population. The reason for this is they say 80% of the people that come down with it handle it just fine and need no hospital admission. The other 20% do need hospitalization and of that 20%, 25 to 50% need ventilators. Without the ventilators they would die. The whole purpose in slowing down the amount of cases with this virus is to allow healthcare to be able to treat people in the manner that is needed. They also said that if you need a ventilator it does not matter what age you are if you don’t get it you will die.I trust this information as it did not come from a political leader or the media and was repeated nearly Word for Word by every doctor I have researched that has been interviewed.

I agree 100% with this too john...my brother is a pilot also and we all noticed the same thing as well...the lying and manipulating just shot off the charts and most people dont believe that they are doing this...its more than ever right now...its a last ditch effort that won't work for them

 

[slimcake]

Grub I don't know what happened to you but man put the cap back on the stupid pills you found. Wow. Take a break man!!

 

[snobuilder]

i like to see a positive in alla this c-19 destruction. I see that I agree with many ppl on here that in the past I have had little squabbles with about mostly nothing.

 

[dfattack]

i like to see a positive in alla this c-19 destruction. I see that I agree with many ppl on here that in the past I have had little squabbles with about mostly nothing.

Maybe we should all go on a group ride next year!

 

[slimcake]

In!!!!

 

[sweeperguy]

In!!!!

Maybe we should all go on a group ride next year!

I'd go on a ride with y'all

 

[Tracker]

Be advised, my malware protection went red alert nuclear when I clicked on the site posted above.
Danger danger Will Robinson....

Your so full of it you smell....dont want people to see it....or else get someone other than ED NORTON to stop trying to protect you OTIS....not one anti virus went off I tested....nice try little scoots....lmao

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Grub I don't know what happened to you but man put the cap back on the stupid pills you found. Wow. Take a break man!!

He has swallowed.....lol

 

[whitedust]

You are missing one VERY important point here. Those businesses are being TOLD to close, they are not doing it by choice, or by making poor business decisions.

Yes some businesses have been told to close but if you dig deeper appointments can be made services and products are being bought and sold you just need to be creative not accept things as black and white. There’s a lot more going on than you may think. Where there is a will there is away and a whole lot of business ongoing in the gray currently. Check it out dig deeper if you want to purchase you will find many willing partners just have to ask. Things are fluid if you dig deeper. I’m very surprised so many are convinced closed means closed. A simple phone call can get you access by appointment home or sales facility. I’m accomplishing most of my purchasing goals more difficult and time consuming but very doable.

 

[scoot]

Your so full of it you smell....dont want people to see it....or else get someone other than ED NORTON to stop trying to protect you OTIS....not one anti virus went off I tested....nice try little scoots....lmao


Nope my malware flagged it big time. Thought folks should be warned or check to make sure their malware is up to date. And if you believe your quote is true, you are "lmao" flipping hilarious. Must be awesome seeing boogie men everywhere you look. Watch out for them bigfoots in the black helicopters and drink the coolaid, DRINK IT!!!

 

[snowdance]

Well no one knows my friend is a rn in a big metropolitan area. She is getting less hours right now because they do not have much going on. Its a really bad flu I want to see the stats of the underlying condition people had who died. I do not want anyone to die but big media blows everything out of proportion.

Not much going on? This goes against everything I have been hearing. I have a good friend who is a traveling nurse. She is currently in Los Angeles. Lots of scary stories directly from her and shared from other health care workers of how scary this is. Hospitals running out of beds. Not enough staff to accommodate all the patients. Regular rooms turned into ICU rooms. Hospital cafeterias turned into makeshift hospital rooms. I could go on, but to say a RN is getting less hours because there isn't anything going on is just ridiculous.

**UPDATE** After thinking this through I realized there are a lot of more non critical healthcare areas that are probably slowing way down, because they don't want people coming in for appointments that aren't critical. So if you work in that area you most likely are seeing a downturn now. I know many people have had routine Dr appointments cancelled until after the this is over. The areas that are seeing the overwhelming shortage of healthcare workers and beds is emergency, urgent, triage for more critical healthcare.

 

[Admin]

John Dees quit worrying. Even though saddled with pre existing conditions you are not an idiot and I would bet you have self isolated for 2 weeks already. Keep doing that. However you should at least be aware of the media. Shutting it off for 7 years keeps you out of that loop. You should at least be aware of what is going on with that side. In the mean time stay home. For at least month.

Thanks Grub. I'm good and not worried. I have been isolated for at least 2 weeks and have no plans to leave the homestead (kind of a nice feeling actually!). I do watch the local news out of Marquette. They do an excellent job of reporting the news, not manufacturing or dramatizing it. Mostly local stories, but when an important national or global issue is going on, they cover it. I also have some good outlets for info. And, there is always Facebook for reliable info!

 

[katden4]

John, you live in a wonderful part of this country, and the chances are very low for your area. I however live 30 miles north of Chicago, and its a very real possibility here now, and don't even want to think about what it will be in two weeks.

 

[xcr440]

Yes some businesses have been told to close but if you dig deeper appointments can be made services and products are being bought and sold you just need to be creative not accept things as black and white. There’s a lot more going on than you may think. Where there is a will there is away and a whole lot of business ongoing in the gray currently. Check it out dig deeper if you want to purchase you will find many willing partners just have to ask. Things are fluid if you dig deeper. I’m very surprised so many are convinced closed means closed. A simple phone call can get you access by appointment home or sales facility. I’m accomplishing most of my purchasing goals more difficult and time consuming but very doable.

I understand that. You can still get most anything you want, including sled parts and service if that's your desire. I thought the discussion with Candyman was around the resorts and bar/restaurants that have been told to "close" their dining services, and gatherings. Yes, many are doing take out, maybe some are even selling alcohol on take out, but there is no way that keeps up with their prior sales numbers, and right along with rentals when people are TOLD to stay home.

I hope these places can make it, but if this drags on and on through the summer, MANY will not.

 

[Admin]

John, you live in a wonderful part of this country, and the chances are very low for your area. I however live 30 miles north of Chicago, and its a very real possibility here now, and don't
even want to think about what it will be in two weeks.

Thanks, you are right. Even our spot of the Keweenaw is more remote that much of the Keweenaw. Many locals do not even know where Jacobsville is!

I was perusing the statistics for other countries (I kind of like doing fiddling around with geography/cartography and demographics) and the data from Japan and S. Korea really sparked my interest. Their numbers are amazingly low. Did some research and saw interviews with a few Dr's that said persons in their countries were forced to wear masks (not even the N95) when in public and they believe strongly that this is a big reason. One Dr finished his interview saying that if you are watching this, PLEASE wear a mask. Even if your countries health officials are not yet telling you to. I have a feeling that our health officials will be coming around to this, hopefully in not too long. Sometimes the US can be a little to proud, or should I call it pig-headed!

I wish you all the best. Keep us updated.

-John

 

[russholio]

Media! Don't get me started!! (darn it, too late) I haven't watched the big three network news in probably 15 years. I couldn't tell you who their anchors are and I don't care. Here's what i do if it's something big like the current events. I'll watch 20 minutes of Fox and then 20 minutes of MSNBC and assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Here's a quote from the great Civil War general, William Tecumseh Sherman

"If I had my choice I would hang every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from h e l l before breakfast."

True on both counts.