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dfattack

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xcr440 said:
I understand that. You can still get most anything you want, including sled parts and service if that's your desire. I thought the discussion with Candyman was around the resorts and bar/restaurants that have been told to "close" their dining services, and gatherings. Yes, many are doing take out, maybe some are even selling alcohol on take out, but there is no way that keeps up with their prior sales numbers, and right along with rentals when people are TOLD to stay home.

I hope these places can make it, but if this drags on and on through the summer, MANY will not.
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Exactly, this current business model due to the virus is not sustainable. It's what businesses are doing to ensure their employees keep going home with paychecks and to make sure when this all over there's still a business to run. Some businesses have drive thru's and that's great. Maybe maintain 80-90% of their normal sales, but that's only temporary. That can only last a few months due to the PPP program. Without that even the businesses with Drive thrus won't last. What about other types of restaurants, hotels, etc. that don't have that option. Clock is ticking and this needs to come to an end very soon or there will be a lot of people out of business.
 
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euphoric1

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dfattack said:
Exactly, this current business model due to the virus is not sustainable. It's what businesses are doing to ensure their employees keep going home with paychecks and to make sure when this all over there's still a business to run. Some businesses have drive thru's and that's great. Maybe maintain 80-90% of their normal sales, but that's only temporary. That can only last a few months due to the PPP program. Without that even the businesses with Drive thrus won't last. What about other types of restaurants, hotels, etc. that don't have that option. Clock is ticking and this needs to come to an end very soon or there will be a lot of people out of business.
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Restaurants, not referring to fast food ones, are saying that even with operating a pick up business are only generating 20% of their normal sales, at 20% you can hardly afford to turn the lights on, and when these businesses cant reopen I assure you there isn't an abundance or people waiting to open a business, not to mention the people that will have lost their job as result of, these small businesses will have a more immediate effect on the local economy with the loss of tax generation, loss of jobs and will there be an abundance of jobs available for the people that are no longer working? I am curious to see what will happen to the unemployment insurance rate as this continues, as im sure the pool will implode on itself as the jobless rate continues to expand faster than the virus itself. And this is where I am completely miffed, disgusted that we are forgiving $10,000.00 of student loans, who are not a direct effect on the economy yet we are forcing businesses to seek loans or close their doors and they are an immediate/direct affect on the economy, it just makes no sense. dfattack I agree "this needs to come to an end...and VERY SOON!!"
 
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xcr440

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Anyone in the Twin Cities happen to catch the story on CH 5 last evening that reported 6 deaths LAST WEEK from the FLU?? Guess the lock down hasn't stopped that, seeing as that was TWO WEEKS after they first told us to "Social Distance".

And is it coincidence that story was on the 6:00, but not the 10:00?

Edit: This was for MN only.
 
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sweeperguy

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euphoric1 said:
Restaurants, not referring to fast food ones, are saying that even with operating a pick up business are only generating 20% of their normal sales, at 20% you can hardly afford to turn the lights on, and when these businesses cant reopen I assure you there isn't an abundance or people waiting to open a business, not to mention the people that will have lost their job as result of, these small businesses will have a more immediate effect on the local economy with the loss of tax generation, loss of jobs and will there be an abundance of jobs available for the people that are no longer working? I am curious to see what will happen to the unemployment insurance rate as this continues, as im sure the pool will implode on itself as the jobless rate continues to expand faster than the virus itself. And this is where I am completely miffed, disgusted that we are forgiving $10,000.00 of student loans, who are not a direct effect on the economy yet we are forcing businesses to seek loans or close their doors and they are an immediate/direct affect on the economy, it just makes no sense. dfattack I agree "this needs to come to an end...and VERY SOON!!"
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From what I have seen (wall street journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/stimul...ef-to-most-student-loan-borrowers-11585486801)
The push to forgive a portion of student loan debt was unsuccessful. Screenshot_20200403-094623_Chrome.jpg
There had already been in place forgiveness packages. The stimulas package did include, suspension of payments due during this crisis, that will count as on time payments. Towards their on time payments, needed to satisfy the programs 120 on time payments for forgiveness of part of their debt. Public service loan forgiveness, for instance. These programs were in place prior to this crisis. There are very strict rules for enrollment and guidelines for the loan portions to be erased.
 
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whitedust

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xcr440 said:
I understand that. You can still get most anything you want, including sled parts and service if that's your desire. I thought the discussion with Candyman was around the resorts and bar/restaurants that have been told to "close" their dining services, and gatherings. Yes, many are doing take out, maybe some are even selling alcohol on take out, but there is no way that keeps up with their prior sales numbers, and right along with rentals when people are TOLD to stay home.

I hope these places can make it, but if this drags on and on through the summer, MANY will not.
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None of this is sustainable totally agree but I did want to let consumers know sales and services are still available if you ask. Closed doesn’t mean closed call ahead see what’s doable.
 
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euphoric1

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sweeperguy said:
From what I have seen (wall street journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/stimul...ef-to-most-student-loan-borrowers-11585486801)
The push to forgive a portion of student loan debt was unsuccessful. View attachment 61461
There had already been in place forgiveness packages. The stimulas package did include, suspension of payments due during this crisis, that will count as on time payments. Towards their on time payments, needed to satisfy the programs 120 on time payments for forgiveness of part of their debt. Public service loan forgiveness, for instance. These programs were in place prior to this crisis. There are very strict rules for enrollment and guidelines for the loan portions to be erased.
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I stand corrected, and that is very good news, if they were prepared to do so and now they are not they should take that funding to help small businesses that were forced to shutter and help an already struggling dairy industry that has been handed a short hand once again. Im glad the forgiveness plan didn't pass, now lets help something with a more direct effect on the economy.
 
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finn

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gary_in_neenah said:
Media! Don't get me started!! (darn it, too late) I haven't watched the big three network news in probably 15 years. I couldn't tell you who their anchors are and I don't care. Here's what i do if it's something big like the current events. I'll watch 20 minutes of Fox and then 20 minutes of MSNBC and assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Here's a quote from the great Civil War general, William Tecumseh Sherman

"If I had my choice I would hang every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from h e l l before breakfast."
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Last I checked, Freedom of the Press was the first amendment to the Constitution.

That’s one before the 2nd Amendment, if you’re counting.

Then there’s always Faux News, if you can’t handle truth.
 
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slimcake

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finn said:
Last I checked, Freedom of the Press was the first amendment to the Constitution.

That’s one before the 2nd Amendment, if you’re counting.

Then there’s always Faux News, if you can’t handle truth.
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Still in college aren't ya Finn?? Or highschool?? It's almost the end of my day and your comment is the..... Winner.... Nevermind
 
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dothedoo

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snowdance said:
Not much going on? This goes against everything I have been hearing. I have a good friend who is a traveling nurse. She is currently in Los Angeles. Lots of scary stories directly from her and shared from other health care workers of how scary this is. Hospitals running out of beds. Not enough staff to accommodate all the patients. Regular rooms turned into ICU rooms. Hospital cafeterias turned into makeshift hospital rooms. I could go on, but to say a RN is getting less hours because there isn't anything going on is just ridiculous.

**UPDATE** After thinking this through I realized there are a lot of more non critical healthcare areas that are probably slowing way down, because they don't want people coming in for appointments that aren't critical. So if you work in that area you most likely are seeing a downturn now. I know many people have had routine Dr appointments cancelled until after the this is over. The areas that are seeing the overwhelming shortage of healthcare workers and beds is emergency, urgent, triage for more critical healthcare.
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Hospitals in Wisconsin are quite....pardon the pun....dead. There is nothing going on in them. Our business serves the majority of hospitals in Wisconsin from our 3 plants, and we're all down 30-40%. I actually closed our plant for the day today, because it just didn't pay to operate. Our business is directly tied to the number of people in hospitals, and I can tell you for a fact, hospital census in Wisconsin and Chicago is extremely low.

In early March, none of our plants could keep up with demand. Now, we're sending most of our employees home after 5 hours each day.

So...yes...in Wisconsin and Chicago....lots of Docs and RN's with nothing to do.
 
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euphoric1

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Heard on news, true or not, would assume to be true.... almost half of the states do not have the funds to support the unemployment need.... NOW WHAT?
 
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russholio

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finn said:
Last I checked, Freedom of the Press was the first amendment to the Constitution.

That’s one before the 2nd Amendment, if you’re counting.

Then there’s always Faux News, if you can’t handle truth.
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Freedom of the Press does not include the right to tell lies.
 
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xcr440

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dothedoo said:
Hospitals in Wisconsin are quite....pardon the pun....dead. There is nothing going on in them. Our business serves the majority of hospitals in Wisconsin from our 3 plants, and we're all down 30-40%. I actually closed our plant for the day today, because it just didn't pay to operate. Our business is directly tied to the number of people in hospitals, and I can tell you for a fact, hospital census in Wisconsin and Chicago is extremely low.

In early March, none of our plants could keep up with demand. Now, we're sending most of our employees home after 5 hours each day.

So...yes...in Wisconsin and Chicago....lots of Docs and RN's with nothing to do.
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There have been videos from people showing the same in many places. Funny how this works - stay home, and think the virus is going to go away? Hmmm
 
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I've also seen videos of people sneaking into hospitals to lick toilet seats and elevator buttons too...:rolleyes3:
Its not a surprise that the hospital parking lots are nearly empty. And if you do wander inside, of course you wont see any virus victims, they'd be in isolation. In preparation hospitals have spent the last several weeks clearing beds, canceling selective procedures, etc. That equals less cars. Stands to reason non essential employees would stay home too. Hospitals are on lock down not allowing visitors, especially for a virus victims. That equals less cars. Even the hypochondriacs that wander into the ER when they have a tummy ache are staying home for obvious reasons. In preparation, my local Hooterville hospital has a refer trailer parked in their loading dock. Maybe its for beer... I get it, trying to explain away scary stuff is easier then excepting it. But to put it in terms some will understand, maybe everyone should be spending some time checking that their family health plans are paid up instead. The hospital bill to recover from a bad case of this will put a huge damper on next years snowmobiling.
 
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frnash

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scoot said:
… In preparation, my local Hooterville hospital has a refer [sic] trailer parked in their loading dock. Maybe its for beer…
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Maybe they're using those trailers as triage stations, from which they will refer patients to the main hospital when appropriate? :devilish:
 
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snobuilder

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Maybe MKE is surrounded be several very new, very large, very empty hospitals.

Maybe listening to the CNNMSNBCNEWYORKTIMES has you thinking every hospital in the US is in dire straights...
 
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WorkHardPlayHrd

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Well at least I know after an absolutely depressing week of watching the the milk, corn, and soybean markets dropping and getting in a fight with my husband ( pick you can buy 40 acres of land or a combine, but not both!) I can come on hear and read the newest responses and actually smile.

Found out today a large 2,500 cow dairy that contracts to the twin cities school district is dumping all their milk. They will get paid through the end of May and then they will be in a world of hurt. Three small creameries in the state have told farmers to cut back production 10-25% that ship to them.

When all the ethanol plants are shut down I don't want to know what happens to the corn price. I know someone a few years younger than me that penciled out buying his father's farm. He used 3.15 cent corn for his lowest price. I suggested he drop that number to 2.50. He said I was nuts that there was no way it would ever get that low again. That was 3 months ago. He bought the farm the end of January. We hit 2.83 here on Friday and he called me up and wanted to borrow my crystal ball. He said how did you know. I said welcome to farming. When you think it can't get worse just wait it can.

It won't be just bars, restaurants, and tourist companies that take the hit. If this goes on for much longer an allready hurting agricultural community will start to collapse. I know 15 dairy farms personally that needed two years of $17 base milk to get on their feet. Not 6 months and then into the $12 range. I guess we will see what happens.

Have a good morning!
 
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