ripsaw vs cobra track

Hoosier

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That's a good point about the amount of track on the ground. I wonder how much less track is on the ground on a modern sled compared to one from, say, the early 90's before the long-travel took over, since both new and old trail sleds had 121" tracks.
 

indy_500

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1-ply tracks are junk. There's a reason they haven't caught on yet. I've seen scary pics on HCS of tracks getting torn apart, then again, one of you will tell me "My 1-ply track is ok" If i'm spending $400 im not wasting my money on a 1-ply track.

Another thing to note, the cobra IS 1.25" It has little "nubbies" that make it 1.352" but they are VERY small. The cobra is not any larger, the difference is all in lug design.

Also, the ice rippers have a 2-year warranty if ANY lugs or studs tear. I'm actually getting my ripsaw warrantied right now and am getting a brand new one because of a defective drive lug I found. It was over a year ago since I purchased it.
 
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whitedust

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definitely a concern with hyfax wear.how does the dnr view the ice ripper? would you have to ride on the "for studs only" section of the trail?

You would have to ask MN DNR. I'm thinking they would consider the ripsaw a studded track but you never know so ask. No "for studs only trails" in WI & UPMI that I know. We don't worry about it here. :)
 

Hoosier

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1-ply tracks are junk. There's a reason they haven't caught on yet. I've seen scary pics on HCS of tracks getting torn apart, then again, one of you will tell me "My 1-ply track is ok" If i'm spending $400 im not wasting my money on a 1-ply track.

Another thing to note, the cobra IS 1.25" It has little "nubbies" that make it 1.352" but they are VERY small. The cobra is not any larger, the difference is all in lug design.

Also, the ice rippers have a 2-year warranty if ANY lugs or studs tear. I'm actually getting my ripsaw warrantied right now and am getting a brand new one because of a defective drive lug I found. It was over a year ago since I purchased it.

That's cool that they warrantied it. Did you go directly to Camoplast or to the place you bought it?

I haven't heard any issues with the 1 ply track, but to me that just sounds like you are asking for trouble. Part of the outerply on my 2002 edge sled tore off. I would think if that happened on a 1 ply, I would think I would have been stuck where I was at. Perhaps the 1 plys are thicker or stronger somehow.
 
I've seen a two ply track come off at 75+mph so don't believe everything you read about. Remember, back in the days they made cars so strong they wouldn't crumple in a crash. Now the cars turn into accordians to absorb the energy. Progress...Progress.
 

whitedust

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I've seen a two ply track come off at 75+mph so don't believe everything you read about. Remember, back in the days they made cars so strong they wouldn't crumple in a crash. Now the cars turn into accordians to absorb the energy. Progress...Progress.

Not sure I get your point? Please explain more fully.
 

Polarice

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I have an '07 IQ HO with a 121" that has a 1.25" ripsaw. I also have a 2010 IQ Shift with a 121" that has a 1.352 cobra.

The cobra transformed the Shift. I like the ride a lot more than the '07 but it is a slightly different body. That's as close as I can compare.
 

Hoosier

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I have an '07 IQ HO with a 121" that has a 1.25" ripsaw. I also have a 2010 IQ Shift with a 121" that has a 1.352 cobra.

The cobra transformed the Shift. I like the ride a lot more than the '07 but it is a slightly different body. That's as close as I can compare.

That's saying a lot because doesn't the Shift have cheaper shocks than the IQ? Do you take these sleds off trail often?
 

snow_monkey

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I hear so many times that once you go to a 136, you won't want another 121, from articles in snowtech and from reading posts on this and other sites. What about on the tighter twisty trails? We often ride out of a cabin located 1/2 way between Phelps and Eagle River, and ride quite a bit on the trails in that area in Wisconsin, which are tighter than those in the UP. Riding those twisties hard at night (so you can see the headlights coming from the other way) is one of my favorite things to do...will the 136 still be good on those trails. It's so much fun to dance the sled around all the turns, the speed is down but it's a blast to go through them...

Shortys right when their tight! Rode my neighbors for a short time then gave it back. When you ride them and can swap from one to the other is when you really see the difference. There are times a longer track will shine but I live in a pine forest and the longer tracks peel the bark off the pines as they squeeze by. Purchase a sled that makes sense for you. My next sled will be a longer track sled when I pull the bride off her indy, she likes a cushy ride. When the snow gets deep I will have to borrow her sled!
 

Polarice

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That's saying a lot because doesn't the Shift have cheaper shocks than the IQ? Do you take these sleds off trail often?

I upgraded one of the shocks on the shift (rear). I take them off trail occaisionally. For riding trails I prefer the Cobra. Much better than the studded track that was on there before.
 

3ddirt

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I upgraded one of the shocks on the shift (rear). I take them off trail occaisionally. For riding trails I prefer the Cobra. Much better than the studded track that was on there before.

have you seen any adverse slide wear with the cobra, as compared to the ripsaw?
 

vx700xtc

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have you seen any adverse slide wear with the cobra, as compared to the ripsaw?

I went from a 1.25 ripsaw (121) to the cobra (128) on an 06 apex (notorious for eating hyfax by design) and rode the Keweenaw the last week of Feb ( marginal at best) and had no noticable difference in hyfax wear in 1200 miles.
 

whitedust

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I went from a 1.25 ripsaw (121) to the cobra (128) on an 06 apex (notorious for eating hyfax by design) and rode the Keweenaw the last week of Feb ( marginal at best) and had no noticable difference in hyfax wear in 1200 miles.

Where did you get the track extension for 06 Apex from 121 to 128? I agree 128 will always hook up better than 121 any brand track but was not aware they had a 128 conversion for older Apex. How come you didn't extend to 136 for even better hook up?
 

polarisrider1

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Back in my ricky racer trail riding only days, nothing beat the ripsaw track. It digs to dirt in the corners and launches you out in time so your buddies don't pile drive you home. The groomers most certainly don't want to here this. Then one day i decided to die in a slower fashion. Challenger 2" paddle on a 144 skid, slowed me down a bit so the 121" rookies could run with a bit. went 151x2x15 and never looked back. this year I decided I want to live (or die in slow mo) and went 155x2.4x15 and will skip the trails entirely.
 

vx700xtc

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Where did you get the track extension for 06 Apex from 121 to 128? I agree 128 will always hook up better than 121 any brand track but was not aware they had a 128 conversion for older Apex. How come you didn't extend to 136 for even better hook up?

Tracks USA. I guess I like to be different. I ride with an Attak(136), and an APEX XTX. (144) My 121 ripsaw was beat at 10000 miles, and Yamaha droped the 121 for 128, so I decided to move into the future, and It required much less of a tunnel extension. I know lots of people have went 121-136 and had good luck, but I thought 121-128 would have less of an effect on suspension geometry and I was perfectly happy with my sleds handling and ride so I diddnt want to mess up the good. I was hoping for an improvement off trail , but old man winter didnt give me a chance try any of that after I made the swap.
 

whitedust

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Tracks USA. I guess I like to be different. I ride with an Attak(136), and an APEX XTX. (144) My 121 ripsaw was beat at 10000 miles, and Yamaha droped the 121 for 128, so I decided to move into the future, and It required much less of a tunnel extension. I know lots of people have went 121-136 and had good luck, but I thought 121-128 would have less of an effect on suspension geometry and I was perfectly happy with my sleds handling and ride so I diddnt want to mess up the good. I was hoping for an improvement off trail , but old man winter didnt give me a chance try any of that after I made the swap.

My 2007 attak 136 ripsaw sucks off trail in deep powder like 3 feet fluffy & trenches so I don't do that anymore. Does fine on rough ungroomed fireroads but some pack there. I'm thinking 2006 apex with 121 or 128 with cobra or ripsaw will not perform well in the deep stuff & need to go 144 or longer. Groomed trail 128 should be AOK.:)
 
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