Sick & tired of this crap!!!!!

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lenny

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It's sad to think people need to steel stuff but in reality they will pay one way or another. I could just see the people sitting around laughing and thinking they got away with something. When there day comes they'll be in for a rude awakening so live it up boys while ya can but don't forget, someone will come knocking and you'll have to give an account.
 

durphee

Well-known member
Kip, you are correct- this is unacceptable. I still believe this is by far the minority of individuals within our sport. It shouldn't happen.

Not to get off track, but many people keep stating the "entitlement " or how society has changed for the worse. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know the answer, is society actually worse today than the past or do we just hear more about the ills of society in the social media today? I'm 37 and teach at a college so I am in constant contact with 18-24 year students. My father would talk about the shenanigans they would pull when they were younger, me also, and it just seems that issues were just pushed aside then and now there big issues. I'm just inquiring what you guys think.
 

MZEMS2

New member
Kip, you are correct- this is unacceptable. I still believe this is by far the minority of individuals within our sport. It shouldn't happen.

Not to get off track, but many people keep stating the "entitlement " or how society has changed for the worse. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know the answer, is society actually worse today than the past or do we just hear more about the ills of society in the social media today? I'm 37 and teach at a college so I am in constant contact with 18-24 year students. My father would talk about the shenanigans they would pull when they were younger, me also, and it just seems that issues were just pushed aside then and now there big issues. I'm just inquiring what you guys think.

I think the mindset is different these days. I often use the term "generation of entitlement" because my experiences have been dealing with attitudes that this age group of 17-22 yr olds feel like the world owes them everything, and right now, without feeling they need to earn it. They've witnessed the previous generation learning how to get everything for free. Now, our government and lawmakers have made it so easy to indeed get benefits for free. So, this generation feels they're owed the same thing. It's terrible....so many in this age group come and go where I work....they go because they had to actually get their hands dirty for 8 hrs a day. Nowadays they can sprain an ankle and get set up with disability for the rest of their life...so why work for it? Got way off track here, but I think it's part of the problem you're having. They can weasel their way into getting things for nothing, therefore, they feel compelled to fill up for free. You can bet your bottom dollar, gas isn't the only thing they steal. Your service and convenience just makes it easy to get away with it. It's a sad world. Better cameras maybe, or cycle the power to the pumps after every customer. Make folks wait to pump til the person before them has filled and paid. Makes a long day....but....
 
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lenny

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Kip, you are correct- this is unacceptable. I still believe this is by far the minority of individuals within our sport. It shouldn't happen.

Not to get off track, but many people keep stating the "entitlement " or how society has changed for the worse. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know the answer, is society actually worse today than the past or do we just hear more about the ills of society in the social media today? I'm 37 and teach at a college so I am in constant contact with 18-24 year students. My father would talk about the shenanigans they would pull when they were younger, me also, and it just seems that issues were just pushed aside then and now there big issues. I'm just inquiring what you guys think.

I'll take a stab at it. I have said many times on this board it's a matter of morality. The symptom of immorality is the behaviors we are seeing. The root of these symptoms is morality which had been in a decline for decades. Look at the use of vulgarities. What was "socially" acceptable 50 years ago, (keeping in mind the key word here is socially) has changed drastically. Today on TV, radio or any social media the acceptable use of vulgarity has increased to the point where the word vulgar is redefined. If the word bitc* was not acceptable socially 50 years but today it is, this illustrates the decline I am referring to. If a word once was vulgar and not said out of respect in a social setting but is now for the most part non-offensive in society we see the decline of a facet of our morality. Combine many facets together and we see a a total social meltdown. My folks are 83 & 80 years old so they see a wider spectrum of the decline of morality than many of us here. Greed, coveting, thievery, slanderers,,,, the love of money,,,etc,,,the list goes on and on.

Morality is a learned behavior and if the standard of truth in our society is constantly redefined, than we end up in a progressive trend, which we are. I suppose it comes down to what standard of truth do you subscribe to. The world has a standard that is ever changing and declining based on what ever makes you feel good with no real root to determine what is right and wrong. Many many years ago our country was based on Christian biblical principles and still somewhat intact but not practiced by the majority of the population. These biblical principles where much like the Islamic Muslim practicing Sharia law but our Christian basis does not include the violence and exterminating of the infidel. The Christian leaves the maker as the final judge and at the same time we have civil laws to protect it's citizens from each other. Over the ages groups have abused their faith and committed atrocities but IMO void of truth and basically run a muck. So, I have rambled on but I see it as a necessary means to understanding the big picture in few words on a message board.

Solution, consider the standard of truth our country was founded upon and more over, consider where these truth originate from. These truths are a constant and require us to never redefine them, doing so we invent an unlimited means to destruction. If the truths are mis-interpreted we became radicals and do more harm than good. Question for all of us, why is it wrong to kill, steal etc,,where did that come from and why do we all agree it's true? Is it possible our designer (maker) instilled this in us. If not, how did the evolution of man as a species include rational thinking and determine what is truth? I'm done now!
 
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lenny

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listen to this, my buddy old man Dave was eating lunch up at Krupps and someone stole his trail permit off his sled just shortly after noon today. These guys pealed his sticker off and planted it on their sled,,,unbelievable!

While in eating he over heard a bunch of off trail guys with backpacks complaining of the price of a trail sticker and thinks it was probably that group.
 

catalac

Active member
Scumbags are everywhere. I'd like to think our hobby is free of them, but I guess not.
Hope it's no one from the JD fam.
 

dfattack

Well-known member
I agree with you Lenny. We can only serve one master...that's what the bible says. I think we know who the thieves are serving. After all their master came but to kill, steal and destroy. So as you see they are living their dream! But....its only for a short time....
 

whitedust

Well-known member
listen to this, my buddy old man Dave was eating lunch up at Krupps and someone stole his trail permit off his sled just shortly after noon today. These guys pealed his sticker off and planted it on their sled,,,unbelievable!

While in eating he over heard a bunch of off trail guys with backpacks complaining of the price of a trail sticker and thinks it was probably that group.

YIKES !!!Lenny what is going on up there!!! Now that there is BAD!
 

dfattack

Well-known member
I often wonder how nearly impossible if not impossible it would have been to do today what the founders did for this country over 200 years ago...

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I think we need the JD trail patrol (under cover of course)
 

kb97z

New member
we filled up at a super busy boulder junction gas station last weekend....had to go into pay or enter debit card pin
now I understand why
wasn't a hassle..just takes a little longer
hope it stops for ya
 

nhra1000

Member
For those of you who think the sport hasn't changed or is getting better.... I encourage you to spend the day in and/or around the st germain radar run which was today...... I saw stuff today that I haven't seen in 35+ years of riding..... Not to stereotype but 99% of the dumb crap I saw was the stand up crowd with the zoomie pipes and chopped off flaps...
 

snoluver1

Active member
I don't necessarily believe we are seeing a decline in morality. I believe we are seeing an increase in the percentage of immoral people in a direct relationship to an increase in population. More people equals more bad people, simple as that. There have always been and always will be immoral people. It seems to me over population is the problem, not whether or not you wear a back pack and stand up when you ride. But wth do I know?
 
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sweeperguy

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I don't necessarily believe we are seeing a decline in morality. I believe we are seeing an increase in the percentage of immoral people in a direct relationship to an increase in population. More people equals more bad people, simple as that. There have always been and always will be immoral people. It seems to me over population is the problem, not whether or not you wear a back pack and stand up when you ride. But wth do I know?

That combined with the fact that with social media, you hear about it more and quicker. And the negatives stand out in your memory more, as a means of self protection and preservation. By being kept aware of the bad acts helps keep you safe. The acts of kindness I don't think are talked about as much.
 
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snobuilder

Well-known member
listen to this, my buddy old man Dave was eating lunch up at Krupps and someone stole his trail permit off his sled just shortly after noon today. These guys pealed his sticker off and planted it on their sled,,,unbelievable!

While in eating he over heard a bunch of off trail guys with backpacks complaining of the price of a trail sticker and thinks it was probably that group.

Krupps is pretty deep into the yoop pee without a sticker....wouldn't a sticker thief pinch one earlier....or were they staying at Krupps?....LOL?
How do you remove a sticker in the cold without the VOID VOID VOID VOID VOID showin through?
 

lvr1000

New member
Helmet or cc; can I leave my wife? Sorry hear of the drive offs. Love the no corn gas and the wife likes the potty so no issue for us. See you next week!
 

polarisrider1

New member
I think social media is getting these issues out more . Example this thread. Back in the day we had to climb a pole to get an operator. If you had a party line then you got the "good stuff" on what's going on. Heck with 3 channels on TV we didn't really know what was going on beyond our fence row
 
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lenny

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Krupps is pretty deep into the yoop pee without a sticker....wouldn't a sticker thief pinch one earlier....or were they staying at Krupps?....LOL?
How do you remove a sticker in the cold without the VOID VOID VOID VOID VOID showin through?


there's two different style trail permit stickers, one the machine spits out or the ones non-printed from a machine, one sticks better than the other. At Pats they have an envelope full of permits and you just buy one.
 

sweeperguy

Active member
I think social media is getting these issues out more . Example this thread. Back in the day we had to climb a pole to get an operator. If you had a party line then you got the "good stuff" on what's going on. Heck with 3 channels on TV we didn't really know what was going on beyond our fence row

We lived "in town" when we had to learn our phone number in 1st grade it was 5 digits, but all phone #'s started with 2, so it was actually 4 numbers, now here in the metro you have to dial 10. Remembering the ring sequence at Grandmas was always weird, "answer the phone, that's not our ring". Now there is like 4 or 5 area codes here . Back home in the UP there's one for the whole UP 906. My how things change.
 
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whitedust

Well-known member
For those of you who think the sport hasn't changed or is getting better.... I encourage you to spend the day in and/or around the st germain radar run which was today...... I saw stuff today that I haven't seen in 35+ years of riding..... Not to stereotype but 99% of the dumb crap I saw was the stand up crowd with the zoomie pipes and chopped off flaps...

No thanks did that last year & thankful I got out alive. I didn't see any fender benders so although many many sleds everyone seemed to get in & out ok. How were the bikini girls this year? :)
 
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